Joe Biden says forget the rifle — get yourself a shotgun

This is a discussion on Joe Biden says forget the rifle — get yourself a shotgun within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Daddydon If its so darn effective, why was my primary weapon an m16/4 instead of mossberg 500 while I was hooking and ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddydon View Post
    If its so darn effective, why was my primary weapon an m16/4 instead of mossberg 500 while I was hooking and jabbing in the sandbox?

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    He's like the drunken uncle we all hope doesn't come to thanksgiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatalite View Post
    “Guess what? A shotgun will keep you a lot safer, a double-barreled shotgun, than the assault weapon in somebody’s hands [who] doesn’t know how to use it, even one who does know how to use it,” Biden said. "It’s harder to use an assault weapon to hit something than it is a shotgun. You want to keep people away in an earthquake? Buy some shotgun shells.”

    Joe Biden says forget the rifle | NewsOK.com

    What say you?
    I've shot both and I'll take the AR any day. You have to get pretty close to be effective with a shotgun, unless you're shooting slugs and my shoulder and rotator cuff don't like slugs.

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    ...and to think this man is one heart beat away from being President....sends chills down my spine.
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    I don't need that ashat telling me what I will be better off with in my home
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    Forget Joe Biden, get yourself an AR!
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    And I bet he told Diane Frankenstein "This is going to be [bleep]ing great!" when she introduced her AWB bill today.
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    If a shotgun is so much more effective than an AR-15, then why aren't they trying to ban the "more deadly" shotgun instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatalite View Post
    “Guess what? A shotgun will keep you a lot safer, a double-barreled shotgun, than the assault weapon in somebody’s hands [who] doesn’t know how to use it, even one who does know how to use it,” Biden said. "It’s harder to use an assault weapon to hit something than it is a shotgun. You want to keep people away in an earthquake? Buy some shotgun shells.”

    Joe Biden says forget the rifle | NewsOK.com

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    Well, I read the complete story on Yahoo, and I say: A shotgun doesn't work for the Korean business owners having to fend off looters or worse from their rooftops during the Rodney King riot.
    It's not about "left and right" and "absolutist" positions. It's not a Bill of "What's-Your-Reasons?". I can't carry (bear) an F-15 jet or M1 tank - both self-propelled. But I can bear an AR with "constitutional justification".
    If school staff or parents qualify under state law, then no state need sanction the murderous "gun-free zone" part of the Gun Control Act of 1968. The recent Supreme Court McDonald decision seems to confirm that states may "experiment", as several are, in the wake of Sandy Hook, and protect instead of deny the right to self-defense, defense of family, and other innocents.

    A commenter to the story on Yahoo is so great that I have to post almost in its entirety:
    First let me preface my remarks by stating that I am not a 'gun guy'. I do not hunt. I do not target shoot. I do not collect guns. I do not belong to the NRA. I do not live in a 'rough' part of town. I own no guns, nor have I ever needed to have one. The last time I fired a shot in anger was in 1968.

    That being said, there are many people today, (myself included), who have a deep, (and a legitimate), distrust of the government.

    They believe that it is in the nature of governments to accumulate and to concentrate more and more power over people's lives. More power leads to more control.

    It has always been so. As Lord Acton so famously stated, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Meaning that those who are given power over others will use that power.

    Even if the government is not specifically intending to do so, it is the nature of large governments that this occurs.

    Now the government may espouse their desire to help the citizenry, but when individuals disagree with what the government determines is in their best interest, then those in power use coersion. Sometimes subtle sometimes not so subtle.

    This concentration of power and increasing coersion can be gradual (like slowly turning up the heat on a lobster in a pot), or sudden (like dropping him into boiling water).

    One need only be a casual student of history to see the process at work again and again and again.

    The Second Amendment is *our* garauntee that this loss of individual freedom and increasing control of our lives cannot be done with impunity.

    One need only look at what is occurring in Syria today or in Mexico, or any of a dozen other locations around the globe to see examples of what happens when the government controls the people and when the people are defenseless to resist.

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    The Founding Fathers believed fervently that ordinary citizens needed to be protected from an oppressive government. If they had not, then there would not have been a Second Amendment in the first instance.

    They were *very* distrustful of the concentration of power into the hands of the few. They set up safeguards against it by diluting that power into different branches and different levels. They tried to define precisely just who could do what, and what things they could not do. They added further protections in the Bill of Rights.

    The Founding Fathers, I am certain, would be aghast at the degree to which the government controls the lives of Americans today. Indeed, they went into rebellion over transgressions less onerous than what we today have allowed to be imposed upon us.

    Read the Declaration of Independence. Look at the reasons that are enumerated there. They speak of an oppressive government seeking to impose it's will upon the citizenry.

    The Second Amendment was NEVER about what type of arms citizens might own or about what the technological developments of the future might bring. It was not about hunting. It was not about home defense. It was not about target shooting. It was about the ability of citizens to oppose and resist the oppression of a tyrannical government.

    There are those Americans that honestly feel that this point of view is not applicable to the 21st century; that such concerns are the things of history. They label those like myself, as 'gun nuts' or as paranoid, even dangerous.

    If you are one that believes that this distrust is stuff out of a dusty history book, and has no relevance in the 21st century, then I urge you again to to look around more carefully.

    Those of us that support the Second Amendment feel that it's relevence is as valid now as it was when it was first penned.
    The current regime is replete with scholars who know damn well what they are doing with their PR campaign to impose restrictions that accomplish nothing but infringement on the rights of good citizens.
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    Damn.. who's in charge of arming the military?? I know their rifles are automatic but if we're better off with shotguns why don't we try'em out with Joe's son?
    Why?? Because at the last second, the Police are minutes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Because Feinstein could never get the difference between "clips" and "magazines" right, she now calls them ammunition dispensers. Anyone else catch that during her announcement today?
    No, but maybe she was talking about vending machines like for cigarettes.
    Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
    when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
    -Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

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    Just some more of the brainwashing rhetoric to keep "no one needs an "assault rifle"" going.
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    It's just codespeak for Let's get rid of your rifles NOW and we'll worry about getting rid of your shotguns later on.
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    It's scary to know he is second in command.

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