"I will take off my uniform and stand with freedom"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAC View Post
    No, then you have checks and balances. The whole point of a multi-headed system like ours is so that when one gets out of line, another can oppose it. Ultimately it is the people who are supposed to settle the difference with their vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAC View Post
    No, then you have checks and balances. The whole point of a multi-headed system like ours is so that when one gets out of line, another can oppose it. Ultimately it is the people who are supposed to settle the difference with their vote.
    I think you misunderstand the system of checks and balances.

    Checks and balances - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    "a system that allows each branch of a government to amend or veto acts of another branch so as to prevent any one branch from exerting too much power ..."

    It has nothing whatsoever to do with individuals bringing their own interpretation of law to the table, and nothing about it
    makes breaking the law permissible.
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    The concept that the Supreme Court is the final authority for whether a law is constitutional was decided by ... ... ... wait ... ... ... you guessed it - the Supreme Court. They basically gave themselves that authority. And the President and Congress are all too eager to pass that buck off to them and let them take the heat ("well, we tried, but the court found it unconstitutional"). We have had many instances where the Congress passes an unconstitutional law, and the president signs it. There are even some where many members of Congress or the President says that a law is probably unconstitutional and they pass/sign it anyway - They say "We'll let the court sort that out".
    These 2 branches of government also take an oath to protect/defend the Constitution of the US. They are shirking their responsibility and dumping it on the courts.

    But back to this thread's main topic.
    State Legislators, Governors, and County Sheriffs also take that oath. They alone are responsible for their own actions. In fact, police officers and members of the military can be fired/court marshalled for following unlawful orders - it is their responsiblity to NOT follow unlawful orders.
    The same is true of the Sheriff. He/she is responsible to NOT follow unlawful orders. They took the oath - they need to go by their oath. They would be wise to get input from DAs, the courts, etc, but in the end they need to decide.

    This is not anarchy - it is America. It's called checks and balances and it was designed that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I think you misunderstand the system of checks and balances.

    Checks and balances - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    "a system that allows each branch of a government to amend or veto acts of another branch so as to prevent any one branch from exerting too much power ..."

    It has nothing whatsoever to do with individuals bringing their own interpretation of law to the table, and nothing about it
    makes breaking the law permissible.
    When a branch is headed by an individual, then yes, it has everything to do with an individual's own interpretation of the law. If the Attorney General or Sheriff says, "Sorry, not enforcing it," then they are acting within their roles as participants in the checks and balances system.
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    When a branch is headed by an individual, then yes, it has everything to do with an individual's own interpretation of the law.
    And it starts with the local cop working a shift.
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    "I will take off my uniform and stand with freedom"

    Side note. I live in Grayson Robinson's county, and I fully support his right to say he believes its not his job to choose what laws to enforce or not. I see a number of benefits to that stance.

    - First and foremost, he can say what he likes. His 1st Amendment rights apply, of course.

    - He can say it in public and quietly do whatever he wants. (Not saying he would, but hey, keeping his powder dry is always a possibility.)

    - He doesn't risk having grant money for doing his job, fighting crime, cut off by vindictive politicians and organizations above his.

    Here's what is far more interesting. His letter includes a scathing indictment of his fellow politicians, and it hasn't been mentioned in the media at all. He flatly blames society's choice to use his jail cells as mental wards as a significant factor in violent crime.

    In any other time, a Sheriff publishing those words, that would be the news. There would be reporters asking mental health officials what they thought of his comments and asking him to clarify.

    Not a word. Not a single word. His letter went national on only the basis of his stance on enforcement of gun law. The rest of the content of his letter never made it to even the secondary articles about it. Nothing. I find this extremely interesting.

    He also said in the letter that all Citizens should be defending themselves and he has no problem with it. That also hasn't come out in any of the articles about his letter.

    Congratulations to Sheriff Robinson for calling it like it is. Personally would I like him to say he won't enforce Unconstitutional law? Sure. But I can respect his statement that he won't.

    And surely defend his right to say it.

    I sure do wish the rest of his letter got any press at all. Where's the media and why aren't they asking those in charge why the Sheriff says his jails are their mental wards? I'd like to hear that discussion.

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    After reading this thread, I have to say that while I agree, to a point with the Chief in the OP's video as police officers we have a duty to enforce all laws whether we like them or not. That said as individual officers we can also assign a priority to enforcement of those laws (i.e. Do I really want to mess with mag capacity today? It can wait!)

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of this started while we were waiting for Obama to come pout with his Executive Orders and there was speculation that he was going to attempt to circumvent Congress in gun control. Any order or law he would put out in this manner would be totally illegal and in fact an impeachable offense so LE should not enforce them. An AWB that manages to make it through both houses and be signed by Obama would then become law, at least until/unless overturned by the SC. It would them be up to State and local LE as to how aggressively the law is enforced. My guess, at least here in the southwest, is it would not be enforced.

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    "I Will Take My Uniform Off and Stand with Freedom"

    Man, that makes my heart feel good. I pray that every Police Chief and County Sheriff in the U.S. will do the same.

    The trampling of our 2A has got to stop. It is completely absurd to punish law abiding citizens instead of the criminals and/or the criminally insane.

    By attacking law abiding citizens' rights, lends me to believe that this assault was already pre-planned and was just waiting for an "incident" to happen - to implement the leftist agenda.
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    There are so many gun owners, THe mayors for gun control, Obama, an d all the dictators have no chance IF we really make a stance, Ignore all laws that are not constitutional, take to the streets and rise up like no group has ever risen before. THis is serious, its not about guns or safety, Its about Control. I'll be honest, they dont trust us, well I dont trust them at all. They are in my mind slick mobsters

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