Article in NYT: Confessions of a Liberal Gun Owner
This is a discussion on Article in NYT: Confessions of a Liberal Gun Owner within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Like I said, there are good, bad, and indifferent parts to the article. No, he still doesn't get it with regards to gun control measures ...
January 29th, 2013 08:02 AM
Like I said, there are good, bad, and indifferent parts to the article. No, he still doesn't get it with regards to gun control measures and why they're a bad thing. Perhaps he doesn't understand the agenda or motivations of those pushing them. Maybe its denial. But it seems he has certainly moved a long way towards a more favorable position from where he started. His journey on this matter won't be asl long as it has been. Perhaps these are some of the people we can reach. Perhaps not. I just thought it was interesting and made me think outside of my own perspective. That doesn't change my position or my passion, it just helps me frame my approach when dealing with a wide range of people in an effort to garner support.
Know Guns, Know Safety, Know Peace.
No Guns, No Safety, No Peace.
Guns are like sex and air...its no big deal until YOU can't get any.
January 29th, 2013 08:02 AM
January 29th, 2013 08:57 AM
Not to belittle the points posted, nor principles, but if we are concerned about 2A rights, we need to spend some time writing and emailing our representatives. If you haven't contacted your federal reps, maybe you contact them and then get back to posting.
Wouldn't it be interesting to have a board rule that says you can't post about 2A rights and threats to those rights until you have contacted your legislators? Would that separate the ones that talk from the ones that really care?
And, yes, I have contacted and received replies from my reps.
While we may believe new bills may not get through Congress, our legislators will be pressured to vote for gun control measures. If they don't hear otherwise, and in force, from us, they might see that as us not caring strongly about it.
Sorry for the rant, but we need to do a little to encourage and urge our reps to support gun rights and strongly oppose gun control measures.
I'm too young to be this old!
Getting old isn't good for you!
January 29th, 2013 09:07 AM
Easy Tangle, I contacted my federal and state-level reps long ago - for all the good it will do.
Just like there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no anti-gun people when they are face to face with a possible imminent threat to their life, or the life of their loved ones. Then they get it - though possibly too late.
The author of the article unknowingly gave the very reason why semi-auto rifles are a very good choice for home defense - the significant recoil difference versus a shotgun. This makes a so-called "assault rifle" better suited for use by women or others of smaller stature. It is for this very reason that our Mini 14 has taken over primary home defense duties from my Remington 870 pump shotgun. Plus, being a semi-auto, the Mini 14 is easier to use - especially for my wife.
Maybe the NRA and other organizations need to get female members to explain this to our lawmakers. They would have a hard time arguing with women who just want a tool to defend themselves and their children. Just a thought.
NRA Life Member; Range Safety Officer
Glock 30, 19, 26; Ruger LCP (2), LCR, Mini 14; Remington 870; Marlin 336 .30-30
January 29th, 2013 09:14 AM
My wife loves her AR and does not want to see it go away. But, like many women, she's also a peacemaker and does not want to get into it with anyone about the 2A. Her mother is virulently anti-gun and my wife refuses to discuss the AR issue with her. My wife could be a great role model of a responsible female gun owner, but she won't do it.
Originally Posted by 10thmtn
January 29th, 2013 09:22 AM
Most people are non confrontational. They just dont want to make waves.
It's the very reason that the anti's constantly take adavantage of peoples good nature and ignorance when they try to shove anti-gun schemes down our throats.
Freedom of speech means nothing to those who are too weak in their convictions to speak out against the evil that eating the heart of a nation like a cancer- Billy Graham
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Maker of cool things to shoot
January 29th, 2013 09:25 AM
He's still a fool, just not a totally ignorant one.
January 29th, 2013 09:56 AM
Originally Posted by nedrgr21
The AR-15 is a fascinating weapon, and, frankly, a gas to shoot. So is a tank, and I donít need to own a tank.
Yup, still a yuppie.
Been calling it like I see it since 1988 and I don't plan on stopping anytime soon.
January 29th, 2013 04:25 PM
I always try to be diplomatic in discussions with left/liberal types simply because I believe in manners and civility, but I've given up on feeling like I have to apologize for my conservative libertarian values to anyone ever. The writer of this article has taken the first step down a long road that I've walked in my life from a fairly liberal upbringing to my current views of things.
You know what changed those views? REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE. Just like for this individual in this case.
Pop-culture platitudes are wonderful to live by when you have the privelege of being insulated from their consequences, but life experience often puts you face to face with the fact that no one else can take responsibility for keeping you safe, making you prosperous and preserving your freedom except YOU. Our country has too many people concentrated in places where they are so deeply inured to their dependence on services provided by others to survive, that they have ceased to recognize how helpless they will be if that real world experience comes crashing in on them (like the weather event he spoke of).
Someone once said we should be careful about giving power to anyone unless we can be content with the worst possible thing they could do with it. For me, this includes EVERY area where I cede my personal responsibility to ANYONE for ANYTHING. We live in a modern society and I am forced to depend on others much of the time, but at least I do it with my eyes open and I often think about what I might do if the ones I depend on ceased to be there. The writer of this article has just begun that eyes-open journey. Good for him. I hope he continues.
January 29th, 2013 04:41 PM
I read the piece and it was one of those glass half full/glass half empty situations. People like him can be written off as 'useful idiots' or seen as relative newbies who have already recognized the need for armed defense and now can be educated about why AR's and mags over 10 rounds make sense for some folks and - even if he doesn't see the need for them himself - can be educated about why banning them would violate the 2A based on Heller
January 29th, 2013 05:00 PM
I agree, and that's a great point. If we can ever effectively make such folks realize that the ultimate goal is complete disarmament, we would gain millions of new allies. But as it stands, too many people believe, "Oh, they only want to ban those 'assault' rifles and I don't care about that. They'll never bother me about my .357 Magnum revolver."
Originally Posted by miller_man
"I practice the ancient art of Klik Pao."
January 29th, 2013 05:18 PM
I keep seeing this all the time in the blogs. Couple this with the idea that they really do believe that if they take away the tool used by mass murders, the evil "assault weapon" whose sole purpose is to kill lots of people very fast, and require the manufacturers to only produce magazines that can hold 10 rounds and make it so you can't remove the magazine that it would put an end to the mass killings. I honestly, just. don't. get. it.
Originally Posted by SpringerXD
January 29th, 2013 05:38 PM
That nails the problem right on the head! THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE IN CONTROL.
Originally Posted by noway2
At least most of US live a real enough life to realize that out on the real streets and highways the powers that be in their ivory towers have NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on that lowlife in the next alley that wants my wallet.
None of these people in power have to live a normal life like the rest of us. They live in a fantasy world where everyone tells them "YES SIR" all the time, and they have no idea how little effect their wishful thinking and good intentions have on anyone except the people who already obeyed the laws before. That effect is mostly negative in the end, but they also never stop to look back and logically analyze the real effect of what they've done. They just move on to the next well-intentioned crusade, and feel great about themselves while doing it.
It's still the best system in the world, but we have to engage with these issues to keep it that way.
January 29th, 2013 07:31 PM
^With all due respect Rollo^^^^^^^
Originally Posted by Rollo
The author of the article is lost as to what natural rights are, and why our fore-fathers adressed these in the Declaration and Constitution.
He says he owns this gun and that gun;
I think guns are woefully under-regulated. Itís far too easy to buy a gun ó I once bought one in a parking lot ó and I loathe the National Rifle Association. Some of the Obama administrationís proposals strike me as more symbolic than effective, with some 300 million firearms on the loose. But the White Houseís recommendations seem like a good starting point and nothing that would prevent me from protecting my family in a crisis. The AR-15 is a fascinating weapon, and, frankly, a gas to shoot. So is a tank, and I donít need to own a tank.
Originally Posted by Darrow75
Originally Posted by oakchas
Any polititian who does not trust US with a firearm, doesn't deserve to hold office, for they are afraid of one thing, and one thing only...........
If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.
Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to defeat the British, He shot them!
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." -- Ernest Benn
January 29th, 2013 07:44 PM
What I said stands on it's own regardless of what the article says.
Originally Posted by oneshot
-It is a seriously scary thought that there are subsets of American society that think being intellectual is a BAD thing...
January 29th, 2013 09:19 PM
Ummmm, that's exactly what we are fighting against. The one's that promote gun control are the ones attempting to dictate to others which subsets of rights are permitted, they're the ones with closed minds as they refuse to educate themselves on the tools they are attempting to condemn, they're the ones who refuse to educate themselves on the tools actually used the most in crimes, they're the ones who refuse to educate themselves about how to prevent crimes, they're the ones that refuse to educate themselves about the state society has degraded to, they're the ones who admit their solutions won't work yet still try to ram them down others' throats, they're the ones who refuse to address the real problems in society b/c of PC'ness, they're the ones that come up with "you have to pass the bill so you can read it", they're the ones ... (oops, don't want to get into other topics unrelated to the forum). For the record, I'm not at all happy with the GOP either; it's just the lefties, as a group, are the ones appropriately targeted on this board.
Originally Posted by noway2
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