Universal & "Expanded" Background Checks: Scariest Bill

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    Universal & "Expanded" Background Checks: Scariest Bill

    My major issue at this point is that this has become a buzz word phrase that sounds good but is ill defined and poorly conceived. Think 'patriot act'. I have even see 'do you support universal background checks' being asked on leftist sites. Obviously the ignorant masses equate this with background checks being required to buy a gun, but that is just a simplistic part of it.

    Until such time as the shenanigans stop and there is a clear, above board and honest discussion and debate I will refuse to support any anti propositions. They have all been too loaded to accept. This is just one more in the line trying to find the proper pressure point: awb2.0, mag cap limit, insurance and now this. Any guess as to what's next or how long before they give up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCSoxFan View Post
    Will the expanded background checks cross reference our voting history?
    As demonstrated by Obama & the Libs use of databases for the last election, your voting history, health, sex, buying habits & everything else will be in that database.
    Ten Bears: It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men.

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    Re: Universal & "Expanded" Background Checks: Scariest Bill

    Bump for people who think this is still a good idea.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4RR...e_gdata_player
    If you're going to carry one weapon, might as well carry two, because as the saying goes, "Two is one, and one is none."

    "Liberals can decline or whine, but I will still carry and conceal mine." - Cold Warrior. Excellent quote good sir!

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    We are inching closer and closer to a rebirth of 1776. I will leave it at that.
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    Re: Universal & "Expanded" Background Checks: Scariest Bill

    I fear you are correct. I think though that a lot of gun owners are going to go along to get along though. At least initially.
    If you're going to carry one weapon, might as well carry two, because as the saying goes, "Two is one, and one is none."

    "Liberals can decline or whine, but I will still carry and conceal mine." - Cold Warrior. Excellent quote good sir!

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    Take take take.

    That's what they consider compromise.

    Take take take take...
    Okay, you don't want take take take take?
    We'll settle for the last one...
    we'll just take that one....
    you are really taking advantage of us here...
    but...
    okay...
    we won't take your guns,
    your mags,
    your bullets...
    we'll leave those alone...

    We'll just take the UBCs...
    Boy, you gunners are tough negotiators...
    Thank you for letting us save face here....
    The public will know how hard we tried... They really wanted all that stuff, you know...
    And you, know this one little tidbit you're throwing us, the UBC's, well we'll settle for that,
    I guess...

    Sigh.

    Smirk.

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    I wish this issue could get the same run and frothing at the mouth that the AWB got. This one scares the heck outta me because I don't see the unity from the gun community in opposing UBC. Perhaps this was all an elaborate plan on the admin's side to wear us down with the AWB ruse when the UBC was really the goal.

    I'm confident in my KY reps to oppose this, but I sent off my letters anyway.

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    We need to keep up the pressure AGAINST any UBC or the like:

    Last week I asked you to call your senators and tell them to vote against every element of President Barack Obama's gun ban agenda.

    Your calls are working! I've received numerous reports that NRA members are lighting up the phone lines and our senators are definitely hearing from us.

    HOWEVER, now we need to take our phone campaign to the next level.
    There are 20 U.S. senators, in particular, who hold the fate of your freedom in their hands.

    These senators represent states where gun ownership is respected and our Second Amendment freedoms are revered.

    But right now, they're facing huge pressure from the gun ban lobby and Barack Obama to support Obama's extreme gun control agenda!

    So please, call each of the senators below and tell them to vote NO on any gun ban...NO on any magazine ban...NO on criminalizing private firearm transfers...and NO on any gun registration scheme.

    Sen. Max Baucus 202-224-2651
    Sen. Mark Begich 202-224-3004
    Sen. Susan Collins 202-224-2523
    Sen. Joe Donnelly 202-224-4814
    Sen. Kay Hagan 202-224-6342
    Sen. Martin Heinrich 202-224-5521
    Sen. Heidi Heitkamp 202-224-2043
    Sen. Tim Johnson 202-224-5842
    Sen. Tim Kaine 202-224-4024
    Sen. Angus King 202-224-5344
    Sen. Mary Landrieu 202-224-5824
    Sen. Joe Manchin 202-224-3954
    Sen. Claire McCaskill 202-224-6154
    Sen. Mark Pryor 202-224-2353
    Sen. Harry Reid 202-224-3542
    Sen. Jeanne Shaheen 202-224-2841
    Sen. Jon tester 202-224-2644
    Sen. Mark Udall 202-224-5941
    Sen. Tom Udall 202-224-6621
    Sen. Mark Warner 202-224-2023
    Spread your calls out over several days if you need to.

    And remember: It doesn't matter if you do not live in these senators' states - YOU NEED TO CALL THEM. After all, the votes they cast will affect you no matter where you live!

    Thank you for your hard work and dedication to winning this battle. Now is not the time to let up! Call each of these 20 senators as soon as you can.

    By working together, we can defeat the Obama gun ban agenda and save the Second Amendment!!!

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    I hate the idea of the UBC as much as anyone.

    But - there will always be off-paper/undocumented guns to be had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottM View Post
    I hate the idea of the UBC as much as anyone.

    But - there will always be off-paper/undocumented guns to be had.
    This is not an excuse to stop fighting. We need not defend gun rights we need to destroy the Anti-gun argument before the bills even get the seal on the envelope broken on the house floor.

    I am so sick of having to defend rights, always being defensive. It is time to start being offensive by offering alternitive options, i.e. Jail time for anyone violating the Oath of Office and suggesting that we further infringe our bill of rights. Can you say a form of justifiable McCarthy'ism. Yes.
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    Never said anything about not fighting it.

    Just pointing out that even if anything passes, there will always be guns and ammo available.

    If they can't keep drugs and illegals out...

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    I'm going to make this short .....if this thing passes were ******

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