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My vote for stupidest comments from today's Senate hearings

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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy View Post
    1) Al Franken argues that pistols grips, adjustable stocks and barrel shrouds make semi auto rifles more lethal and James Johnson (Baltimore Police Chief) agrees with him. A close runner up was when the Chief talked about how modern optics make AR's so much more lethal. Wonderful, just what we needed, now there will be a ban on those evil red dots.


    2) Captain Kelly argues that Lougher was such a marginal, isolated character in society that he probably could not have found a black market gun if he had failed to purchase a gun legally. Let's get this straight Cap, the guy was a drug user (as you told us) which means he knows drug dealers, but you think he could not have found a black market gun dealer??? Hell, he probably could have gotten a package deal straight from his drug dealer: Meth and a Glock 19
    These people can't be that stupid,so my bet is they're lying having been promised something in return.
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    Al Franken still isn't funny, and never was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Sorry, but you can't have the stupidest comment unless Biden was there.
    So where is Algore anyway?
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    The young lady who testifed against gun control and was an advocate for women. I forgot her name. Anyway, she was on MSNBC's Last Word with Lawerence O'Donnell tonight. He really didn't let her speak. He kept asking over and over, "Give me ONE, just ONE instance where anyone has used an AR-15 for self-defense." She was ill-prepared, she didn't have any. As we all Know, there are plenty. I wanted to crawl through the TV...One of the anti cops that testified today was also on. He said that just by having any gun in the home the chances of someone in the home being shot go up 500%!!! Sheesh....
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    I thought "Congress is now in session" was just the first in an ongoing string of mounting idiocy that only terminates with the closing gavel...
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    My vote for the stupidest comment is LaPierre saying that background checks won't keep criminals from getting guns. While some criminals and potential criminals will get guns anyway, not all will. I see universal background checks with appropriate exemptions for sales or gifts to family, as a reasonable step to deter or prevent easy access. The notion that a background check is tantamount to registration is a scare tactic. To have a background check it should not even be necessary to identify the firearm--just the person buying it.

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    keboostman, how would that be enforced? Also I could be wrong but "universal background checks" sounds like they mean on everyone, no one in the hearings said anything about exemptions. As a matter of point the Chief from Baltimore said "you think you know your neighbor? You don't know your neighbor"
    To me that indicates a thought process that we are not qualified to judge when we should seek an exemption to a universal background check even if one was available!

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    Remember, Al Franken is a comedian...he's a joke!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashoften View Post
    keboostman, how would that be enforced? Also I could be wrong but "universal background checks" sounds like they mean on everyone, no one in the hearings said anything about exemptions. As a matter of point the Chief from Baltimore said "you think you know your neighbor? You don't know your neighbor"
    To me that indicates a thought process that we are not qualified to judge when we should seek an exemption to a universal background check even if one was available!
    I was only suggesting an exemption for family where I might will or give a firearm to a son/daughter or grandson/daughter or other blood relative. Otherwise, I would argue that any firearm transfer (even to a neighbor) should require a background check.

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    I don't entirely disagree that it's not a bad idea. But ,and it's a big Butt, how could this be enforced?? Also I agree there could be exemptions, as you suggested. But , and it's another big Butt, they anti's are not stipulating for any exemptions. They are already stating that any guns banned cannot be passed down to relatives do you really think they would allow exemptions for relatives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    My vote for the stupidest comment is LaPierre saying that background checks won't keep criminals from getting guns. While some criminals and potential criminals will get guns anyway, not all will. I see universal background checks with appropriate exemptions for sales or gifts to family, as a reasonable step to deter or prevent easy access. The notion that a background check is tantamount to registration is a scare tactic. To have a background check it should not even be necessary to identify the firearm--just the person buying it.
    As you admitted, background checks will not prevent criminals from obtaining firearms. How does he get your stupidest comment vote when you concede the veracity of his statement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    My vote for the stupidest comment is LaPierre saying that background checks won't keep criminals from getting guns. While some criminals and potential criminals will get guns anyway, not all will. I see universal background checks with appropriate exemptions for sales or gifts to family, as a reasonable step to deter or prevent easy access. The notion that a background check is tantamount to registration is a scare tactic. To have a background check it should not even be necessary to identify the firearm--just the person buying it.
    "..... shall not be infringed."

    Granted some of those testifying made comments that are anti-gun but one needs to understand the following:
    * Firearm(s) owners are a minority
    * Hunters are a minority within that minority
    * Those that advocate, literally, the language in the 2nd amendment are a minority with the two above minorities
    * Many Americans believe what someone in authority says as truth and give it no further thought
    * Many Americans will go along with anything one of their "heroes" advocate(movie/music stars, sports players, etc.)
    * Many Americans believe what the various news media outlets "feed" them

    Basically, we have one hell of an uphill battle on our hands.
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    My vote for stupidest comments from today's Senate hearings
    Universal Background Check is not a form of registration.
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    Hey, everybody knows real life is just like Cowadooty (Call of Duty.) If you put a red dot and a foregrip on a .223 AR it'll be almost 17 times as deadly as an M14 chambered in .308 by virtue of the 2 pistol grips accelerating the bullet an average of 422,000 feet per second faster, while adding deadly expanding abilities to the projectile. The red dot site also gives the weapon both soft and hard armor penetration capabilities. Then there's those shoulder things that go up...
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    1) Al Franken argues that pistols grips, adjustable stocks and barrel shrouds make semi auto rifles more lethal
    In the sense that greater accuracy will tend to result in greater likelihood of deaths/injuries than poorer accuracy, he's got a point. But then, so will practice. Perhaps the liberty-haters should attempt to ban practice??

    It's an attempt to grasp at straws, IMO. A firearm's pretty useless if one can't hold onto it. EVERY rifle ever made, that I can think of, has someplace to put the rear hand and someplace to put the forward hand; protections from getting burned on the barrel is just basic; and adjustable stocks provide fitment for various sizes of people.

    Which brings us to the whole point: a firearm's pretty useless if one can't hold onto it. IMO, it seems that this is what they're seeking ... to make firearms effectively useless for those who have them, since they are disallowed from outright elimination of them.

    Thinking it through, there are all sorts of ways the liberty-haters could effectively ban things without banning them. Attack the features, capabilities. And that's just what they're doing. "Common-sense" and "reasonable" actions to take, for people barred from outright bans.

    modern optics make AR's so much more lethal
    Well, yeah, in terms of accuracy when feedback/confirmation is available, as with tracer rounds during machine gun fire in combat. Sure, in terms of raising the likelihood that a person's going to get/remain on target. The same can be said for having sights at all, as opposed to just an unadorned barrel.

    In a way, it's a bit like saying that barrels make a rifle more lethal, a butt stock at all makes a rifle more lethal, and the ability to load projectiles makes a rifle more lethal. Well, yeah, since without the ability to be a firearm, it wouldn't be as lethal as a firearm. Circle logic for circle jerks. Wow.

    (A "druggie") probably could have gotten a package deal straight from his drug dealer: Meth and a Glock 19
    Yup. If not from that dealer, then from someone he knows. It's not that difficult to find weapons or drugs on the street. (Have got a couple of relatives that don't have much trouble, in this regard.) All it takes is a couple discreet questions, and boom! you're put in contact with the "right" sort who can get you what you need. After all, kids, for crying out loud, can get this stuff on the street, so it's not as though an adult is going to be having much trouble doing so given a bit of effort.

    I wonder if these people have ever tried thinking through the arguments. (We know they're seeing right through them, not understanding what they're saying.) One would think LE could smell a rat, with regard to how it really is on the street. And as for considering basic elements of a firearm that make it such a thing (a "firearm," a flinger of projectiles as accurately as can be), it's hard to call it anything but what it is: no argument at all.

    The similarly weak and pointless "car" argument: Tires, steering wheels and adjustable seats help make cars more accurate and able to be used by far more people. Adjustable seats are particularly pernicious, allowing anyone to sit behind a wheel. Horrible! Such features as these help those who would aim their cars at innocents commit horrible crimes (DUI, reckless driving, running down children in crosswalks). These common-sense and reasonable restrictions are what is needed to turn cars into the soft, comfortable, de-weaponized "weapons" they are. Ban tires, wheels, adjustable seats!

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