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Physicians and Guns Part II: A Hypothetical Situation

This is a discussion on Physicians and Guns Part II: A Hypothetical Situation within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by BugDude Sure he does. He simply lives in a country where he is free to make that decision for himself....for now... Where ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    Sure he does. He simply lives in a country where he is free to make that decision for himself....for now...
    Where did I say he doesn't have the freedom to slowly kill himself?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clodbert View Post
    So far, everyone is seemingly advocating lying to or berating the inquiring physician.

    I'm playing devil's advocate here but if asking patients about firearms becomes a part of a physician's duty as mandated by the government, then it is his business. He's just doing his job if he has to ask those questions.

    You wouldn't continue to patronize a restaurant wherein the hostess was required to ask you if you are carrying. If you don't like what the doctor asks or says to you, then find a new doctor or stop going to one altogether. The second option would become reasonable if it becomes federally mandated for physicians to ask about firearms and record your answers into a database. I guess it comes down to two things: how much do you value your privacy and do you think you need to participate in the healthcare system by getting annual check-ups and other non-emergency services?

    Do you think that eschewing seeing a doctor or any healthcare professional would compromise your health if that person is required to ask if you own guns?
    Your restaurant analogy would only be accurate if the only place I could get food was at a restaurant. The only place I can get medical treatment is from a doctor.

    What if it became mandatory that the doctor has to ask you the following questions before administering medical treatment and what if it became a felony to give false answers (assume that they will give you a lie detector test) and what if it becomes mandatory that you have to see the doctor every month or every week?

    What if these were some of the questions:
    Do you own any firearms?
    Do you own any weapons?
    Are there weapons where you live?
    Who did you vote for?
    Do you believe you should still be permitted to vote?
    Have you spoken negatively about your government or any government official?
    Do you believe in limiting the government's power?
    Have you ever taught children or adults about anything that isn't on the government's approved teaching list?
    What is your religion?
    Have you consumed more that your daily ration of nourishment?
    Have you committed any crimes or violated any regulations since your last visit?
    Have you witnessed or do you have knowledge of anyone who has committed any crimes or violated any regulations since your last visit?
    Have you thought about committing any crimes or violating any regulations since your last visit?

    I'm sure you get the idea.

    None of that^^^^^ has anything to do with medical treatment unless it is mandated by the government and any such mandate is a violation of our Rights.
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    simpy reply.....I dont own any guns (with my fingers crossed behind me)

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    I don't own and guns. I own firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    I don't own and guns. I own firearms.
    Guns???? What are guns?
    Ten Bears: It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men.

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    I suppose I should not be surprised by the ad hominem attacks and comments. It is much easier to disparage the messenger than to take the time to find out the facts.

    The US is 37th after Costa Rica, which is 36th, in the health care rankings according to WHO. So rather than look at the cause of that lousy ranking, it is much easier to just say WHO doesn't count. Great thinking, guys.

    How about the National Research Council and the Institute of Medicine report? I guess those people are also off the mark when they say:


    "On average, Americans die sooner and experience higher rates of disease and injury than people in other high-income countries, says a new report ( U.S. Health in International Perspective: Shorter Lives, Poorer Health) from the National Research Council and Institute of Medicine. The report finds that this health disadvantage exists at all ages from birth to age 75 and that even advantaged Americans -- those who have health insurance, college educations, higher incomes, and healthy behaviors -- appear to be sicker than their peers in other rich nations."

    We rank worst in infant mortality, and similarly bad on injuries, murders (esp gun related), teenage pregnancies, substance abuse, diabetes, heart disease, strokes and long-term disability.

    And, " the panel's research suggests that the U.S. health disadvantage is not solely a reflection of the serious health disadvantages that are concentrated in the U.S. among poor or uninsured people or ethnic and racial minorities. Americans still fare worse than people in other countries even when the analysis is limited to non-Hispanic whites and people with relatively high incomes and health insurance, nonsmokers, or people who are not obese."

    If you are not too busy making snide derogatory comments aobut me, read part of the report devoted to the health care system here:
    U.S. Health in International Perspective: Shorter Lives, Poorer Health
    'Guerir quelquefois, soulager souvent, consoler toujours.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBob View Post
    I suppose I should not be surprised by the ad hominem attacks and comments. It is much easier to disparage the messenger than to take the time to find out the facts.

    The US is 37th after Costa Rica, which is 36th, in the health care rankings according to WHO. So rather than look at the cause of that lousy ranking, it is much easier to just say WHO doesn't count. Great thinking, guys.

    How about the National Research Council and the Institute of Medicine report? I guess those people are also off the mark when they say:


    "On average, Americans die sooner and experience higher rates of disease and injury than people in other high-income countries, says a new report ( U.S. Health in International Perspective: Shorter Lives, Poorer Health) from the National Research Council and Institute of Medicine. The report finds that this health disadvantage exists at all ages from birth to age 75 and that even advantaged Americans -- those who have health insurance, college educations, higher incomes, and healthy behaviors -- appear to be sicker than their peers in other rich nations."

    We rank worst in infant mortality, and similarly bad on injuries, murders (esp gun related), teenage pregnancies, substance abuse, diabetes, heart disease, strokes and long-term disability.

    And, " the panel's research suggests that the U.S. health disadvantage is not solely a reflection of the serious health disadvantages that are concentrated in the U.S. among poor or uninsured people or ethnic and racial minorities. Americans still fare worse than people in other countries even when the analysis is limited to non-Hispanic whites and people with relatively high incomes and health insurance, nonsmokers, or people who are not obese."

    If you are not too busy making snide derogatory comments aobut me, read part of the report devoted to the health care system here:
    U.S. Health in International Perspective: Shorter Lives, Poorer Health
    Who made "snide derogatory" comments about you?
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    It has more to do with lifestyle choices people make in the US than the healthcare system. Alcohol, cigarettes, drug abuse, carbohydrate consumption, red meat, fast cars, and wild southern girls!!!! We may live shorter, and have more issues, but we are FREE in the pursuit of happiness even if it kills us.
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    OK DoctorBob...tell me what other country you'd rather get your health care in?

    What other country would you rather have your wife give birth in?

    Emergency rooms, by law, cannot turn anyone away.

    Where are all the "poor" people who are dying at alarming rates? The poor in the US can get Medicade, the elderly get Medicare, the majority of people get health insurance through their work. There's a segment who don't have insurance and those people could have been insured through a state insurance that would have been affordable.

    But no! Obama had to institute Socialized medicine not because it's better for people, but because he and his minions will be able to control people. It's going to be bad medicine, bad politics and an economic disaster. It really burns me up and I get very passionate about this subject...so I'm not going to comment anymore. If I said what I really want to I'd have enough forum points to be a Jeopardy winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    It has more to do with lifestyle choices people make in the US than the healthcare system. Alcohol, cigarettes, drug abuse, carbohydrate consumption, red meat, fast cars, and wild southern girls!!!! We may live shorter, and have more issues, but we are FREE in the pursuit of happiness even if it kills us.
    Does that include 16 oz sodas in NYC, even if it puts me in a diabeties-induced coma?
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    The AMA, FDA and the EPA are are worst enemy.
    Take this treatment, take that treatment.

    Take this drug, no don't take that drug, because some bigwig at the FDA was promised a cushy seat on the board of a big pharma co. and now after 6 years its been found to kill people, and they finally find the drug is deadly.
    Population control, that is what WHO, & the UN are all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Does that include 16 oz sodas in NYC, even if it puts me in a diabeties-induced coma?
    It should, but the people in NYC have been stripped of numerous Constitutional Rights...for their own good.
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    Obviously, if a Dr. or his staff will be required to ask a patient firearms related questions, changing Drs. would be futile. Who has been to a new practice and not had to fill out a lengthy questionaire before being seen? Not me.
    I say simply refuse to answer any firearm related questions. Scratch through it or put down "None of Obama's business".

    My closest friend is a Dr. We have gone shooting together. He owns a .45 cal. XD. He just took a concealed carry course. One of his partners has enough guns to fill my trunk. Another Dr. that I know personally pockets a .380 everywhere he goes. They are not Boogeymen. Many of them are like us, gun owners themselves..
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    I've been working with Doctors for 20 years, and know many personally and have gone shooting with them. There's also something else I've learned about Docs. Don't get between them and their money. If Medicare says "no money for you" unless they collect this data, they WILL collect this data.
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    Glad I'm not on MediCare. Blue Cross gets my mortgage and a half.

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