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    We have economically driven health care policies, not best practice. THIS is responsible for poor health care and delivery. My PC has begun a boutique practice for cash payers and his services are considerably less when he doesn't have to hire 6 people to submit claims and track billing...oh and wait for months sometimes for payment. The Gv't likes to operate on your cash. Doc's don't "practice" medicine anymore they practice cost containment and not because they want to.
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    It's actually written into Obamacare that they are not allowed to ask about guns or ammunition.
    Of course, that doesn't mean that the liar-in-chief and his cronies won't try to pull some shenanigans
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBob View Post
    The US is 37th after Costa Rica, which is 36th, in the health care rankings according to WHO.
    (sigh) They just haven't been the same since Keith Moon died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nontechguy View Post
    It's actually written into Obamacare that they are not allowed to ask about guns or ammunition.
    Of course, that doesn't mean that the liar-in-chief and his cronies won't try to pull some shenanigans
    Where have you been?

    Do you not remember or did you not see the 23 executive orders Obama signed in January?

    Here Are the 23 ?Executive Actions? Obama Will Be Taking on Guns | TheBlaze.com

    Here is #16:

    16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

    He is dictating changes to existing laws (this is a complete 180 degree reversal of what is written in the law). The office of the presidency does not have the Constitutional authority to rewrite existing laws and Congress is allowing this to happen.

    Our "checks and balances" have failed.

    It is time for the people to have a few drinks at the Green Dragon Tavern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    Where have you been?

    Do you not remember or did you not see the 23 executive orders Obama signed in January?

    Here Are the 23 ?Executive Actions? Obama Will Be Taking on Guns | TheBlaze.com

    Here is #16:

    16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

    He is dictating changes to existing laws (this is a complete 180 degree reversal of what is written in the law). The office of the presidency does not have the Constitutional authority to rewrite existing laws and Congress is allowing this to happen.

    Our "checks and balances" have failed.

    It is time for the people to have a few drinks at the Green Dragon Tavern.
    The old BAIT & SWITCH. Get a law passed and then Executive Order it into a complete 180 from what it was intended.

    I'm fairly certain when they said the Dictator could CLARIFY a law with an EO, they didn't intend that to mean turn it around 180 degrees. But hey, as we continue to see, this administration will not hesitate to do something illegal or unconstitutional. Where is the accountability and challenge of overstepping authority?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    The old BAIT & SWITCH. Get a law passed and then Executive Order it into a complete 180 from what it was intended.

    I'm fairly certain when they said the Dictator could CLARIFY a law with an EO, they didn't intend that to mean turn it around 180 degrees. But hey, as we continue to see, this administration will not hesitate to do something illegal or unconstitutional. Where is the accountability and challenge of overstepping authority?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    OK DoctorBob...tell me what other country you'd rather get your health care in?
    I've had care provided in Canada and Costa Rica. Both score better than the US and the care was fine in both

    What other country would you rather have your wife give birth in?
    we are way past that happening

    Emergency rooms, by law, cannot turn anyone away.
    The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act specifies that patients must be 'screened' not treated. They may be discharged if stable or transfred. I have practiced Emergency Medicine for 35 years and can tell you that it does NOT equal the kind of medical care that much of the population requires on an ongoing basis. It is limited to acute illnesses and cannot adequately handle chronic problems or preventive care.
    Medicaid is not universally available. Many of the people I see in the local FQHC here do not have any insurance because the make too much to qualify for medicaid but not enough to qualify for regular insurance (part time jobs, etc). If they need to see a surgeon, or an ophthalmologist, for example, they are out of luck unless I cn persuade one to take the patient on a charity basis

    Where are all the "poor" people who are dying at alarming rates? The poor in the US can get Medicade, the elderly get Medicare, the majority of people get health insurance through their work. There's a segment who don't have insurance and those people could have been insured through a state insurance that would have been affordable.
    Try reading the links I posted rather than spouting tea party talking points.
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    Doctorbob,
    Then you also know that whether or not they have insurance if you call me in the middle of the night with an acute problem then I am required to take care of that patient. Sure, there are unethical surgeons that will tell you that they are "uncomfortable" taking care of that problem forcing you to transfer the patient to another facility who will not turn that patient down. Acute problems do get taken care of.

    Nobody wants to talk about rationing health care but we already do it. We just do it irrationally. This last attempt is not a solution and will likely make it worse. Just like taxes, no one wants to bite the bullet and fix the problem with a cogent solution

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBob View Post
    ...But no! Obama had to institute Socialized medicine not because it's better for people, but because he and his minions will be able to control people. It's going to be bad medicine, bad politics and an economic disaster. It really burns me up and I get very passionate about this subject...so I'm not going to comment anymore. If I said what I really want to I'd have enough forum points to be a Jeopardy winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    Alex, I'll take "He Finally Gets It" for 100.
    He was quoting Jeanlouise and messed up wrapping it in quotes, so he still doesn't get it.

    Anyway, I thought this thread was about doctors hassling patients about guns and trying to create a database of gun owners.
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    Don't expect a straight-forward question, either. A friend of mine went to the eye doctor 2 weeks ago and was being evaluated for contacts. The doctor asked which was his dominant eye. The reply was "I am not sure" so the doc asks, "Well, which eye do you shoot with?" Thinking he was being duped, my friend replied, "Well, when I hold my camera up, I use my right eye for the viewfinder." Smart thinking!

    Unless I am put under oath, I will just say, "Heck, no! Those things are dangerous!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by knowltk View Post
    I heard about a guy who's doctor decided was suicidal. The doctor informed the police who showed up on his doorstep, took all of his guns, and then took him to some sort of mental facility. The kept him for 2 or 3 days to evaluate him. They decided he was Ok. However, he now has a mental health check mark on his record, so he can't buy any new guns (the police kept the ones they took).

    The reason for me telling this story is that my wife and I were talking about it this morning and decided that if a doctor did this here where we live in Idaho, that the story would spread like wild-fire and the doctor would find himself with no patients.
    You have to understand that all licensed healthcare workers (doctors, nurses, etc.), and in some states other individuals (ie teachers) have a legal responsibility to report any instance or suspected instance of a patient who states he/she is homocidal or suicidal, children with injuries consitent with abuse as well as several other specific situations. This requirement is the case in every state I am aware of and most states provide for stiff penalties including revocation of license, fines or even jail for those healthcare professionals who fail in this responsibility. Additionally, there is also big civil liability for health providers who violate these rules---and these laws have been the case for decades. It is pretty black and white as far as the law is concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocT65 View Post
    You have to understand that all licensed healthcare workers (doctors, nurses, etc.), and in some states other individuals (ie teachers) have a legal responsibility to report any instance or suspected instance of a patient who states he/she is homocidal or suicidal, children with injuries consitent with abuse as well as several other specific situations. This requirement is the case in every state I am aware of and most states provide for stiff penalties including revocation of license, fines or even jail for those healthcare professionals who fail in this responsibility. Additionally, there is also big civil liability for health providers who violate these rules---and these laws have been the case for decades. It is pretty black and white as far as the law is concerned.
    Then why do these same people say "yep he is nuts" & then release the nut job back onto the street?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigPapa226 View Post
    Then why do these same people say "yep he is nuts" & then release the nut job back onto the street?
    That's a broad statement that I'm sure does not apply to all psychiatrists; that said, I'm not a shrink. After reporting, the medico-legal process differs state to state. Some states allow patients to be temporarily held, against their will if needed, until they can be evaluated and a petition filed with the court. At the end of the day, the decision to "commit" usually lies with a judge. Your question might be best addressed by them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocT65 View Post
    That's a broad statement that I'm sure does not apply to all psychiatrists; that said, I'm not a shrink. After reporting, the medico-legal process differs state to state. Some states allow patients to be temporarily held, against their will if needed, until they can be evaluated and a petition filed with the court. At the end of the day, the decision to "commit" usually lies with a judge. Your question might be best addressed by them.
    Va Tech - Chu was nuts, the Aurora shooter was nuts & under therapy, Newtown kid was nuts & mother trying to get help and/or commit him. Seems like a pattern to me.
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