Drunk and Armed: On Duty with the Ohio State Highway Patrol

Drunk and Armed: On Duty with the Ohio State Highway Patrol

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    Drunk and Armed: On Duty with the Ohio State Highway Patrol

    Drunk and Armed: On Duty with the Ohio State Highway Patrol

    By Gerard Valentino

    Ohio’s concealed carry law was stonewalled for years by the opposition of the Ohio State Highway Patrol bureaucrats, who refused to endorse any bill that allowed law-abiding citizens to carry concealed loaded guns in a vehicle. Finally, after years of debate, public opinion overwhelmed the Highway Patrol’s opposition, and Ohio became the 46th state to pass a concealed carry law.

    The State Highway Patrol administration was successful, however, in using its lobbying power to poison the legislation with the now infamous “open car carry” provision that requires license holders to keep their gun holstered in plain site while in a vehicle. No other state has such a ludicrous provision in their concealed carry law, and many even allow guns to be carried in cars without a license.

    Although the Highway Patrol could not point to one instance where a legally carried gun was used against law-enforcement, they still insisted that guns in cars need to be carried in plain sight in the name of officer safety (a silly demand considering a gun that is not concealed is quicker into action).

    Although the Ohio State Highway Patrol’s administration claims carrying a gun in plain sight means the owner is less likely to kill someone, it did not stop Trooper Joshua Risner, who while carrying his gun in plain sight, got drunk on duty, chose to drive his patrol cruiser drunk, and then killed three people when he lost control - because in Ohio it is not currently illegal for a Trooper to drive drunk on official duty, even while carrying a gun.

    You can read the rest of the article here:
    http://buckeyefirearms.org/article3345.html


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    because in Ohio it is not currently illegal for a Trooper to drive drunk on official duty, even while carrying a gun.


    What the hell? This has got to be a hoax.
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    Sadly, it isn't. Read the entire article and look it up.

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    i read it what a joke

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    So on duty Ohio troopers are granted statutory immunity from DWI laws? I doubt it.
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    Nothing about Ohio surprises me anymore.

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    I think Gerard Valentino should be named Retard Valentino...

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    Somehow I missed Serve and Protect in this report.
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    With all respect to our OH members here - things really are somewhat screwed up it seems!!
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    Ohio is getting more and more screwed up. We have had corrupt state government for years now. Our current Governor is nothing more than a plain old thief.

    With that said, I don't know where the author got the idea thats its not illegal for OSP to drive drunk... thats just a flat out lie, or ignorance. The case he is talking about is just happened, and it is still under investigation. Initial reports were that he was drunk at time of crash, but they are still doing more tests. It is unlikely that we Will ever know for sure, because of the condition of the body. It has in horrible taste to make a statement like this, esp. while its all fresh and the grave hasn't even settled yet.

    The plain sight in a vehicle law is crazy, and it applies to LEO's too. What even more dumb is that the wording is so vague. My interpretation of plain sight may be completely different than the next guys. Most of my fellow LEO's wont enforce this, as long as the other rules are followed.

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    Section 2323.16.D of the Ohio Revised Code
    [onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com] says in part:

    (D) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded handgun in a motor
    vehicle if, at the time of that transportation or possession, any of the
    following applies:

    (1) The person is under the influence of alcohol, a drug of abuse, or a
    combination of them. ...


    Section 2923.16.F.1 says:

    This section does not apply to officers, agents, or employees of this or any
    other state or the United States, or to law enforcement officers, when
    authorized to carry or have loaded or accessible firearms in motor vehicles
    and acting within the scope of their duties.

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    This Is a Pile of Toro Feces...

    Quote Originally Posted by Angio333 View Post
    Section 2323.16.D of the Ohio Revised Code
    [onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com] says in part:

    (D) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded handgun in a motor
    vehicle if, at the time of that transportation or possession, any of the
    following applies:

    (1) The person is under the influence of alcohol, a drug of abuse, or a
    combination of them. ...


    Section 2923.16.F.1 says:

    This section does not apply to officers, agents, or employees of this or any
    other state or the United States, or to law enforcement officers, when
    authorized to carry or have loaded or accessible firearms in motor vehicles
    and acting within the scope of their duties.
    ...but Ohioans deserve what they vote for...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angio333 View Post
    Section 2323.16.D of the Ohio Revised Code
    [onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com] says in part:

    (D) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded handgun in a motor
    vehicle if, at the time of that transportation or possession, any of the
    following applies:

    (1) The person is under the influence of alcohol, a drug of abuse, or a
    combination of them. ...


    Section 2923.16.F.1 says:

    This section does not apply to officers, agents, or employees of this or any
    other state or the United States, or to law enforcement officers, when
    authorized to carry or have loaded or accessible firearms in motor vehicles
    and acting within the scope of their duties.
    Angio, with all due respect, your argument is seriously flawed. First, you cannot pick and choose pieces of a statute that you want to use to make your point. The correct ORC # is 2923.15. This directly deals with the issue of use of weapons while intoxicated. It reads as follows;

    2923.15. Using weapons while intoxicated
    (A) No person, while under the influence of alcohol or any drug of abuse, shall carry or use any firearm or dangerous ordnance.
    (B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of using weapons while intoxicated, a misdemeanor of the first degree. <period.
    The end, there is no more to this law.

    Second, the part that you chose to post states that it does not apply to LEO's "acting within the scope of their duties"
    Thats a very important phrase. I don't think the trooper was acting within the scope of his duties in this case. Besides the flawed argument, your quoted law is irrelevant to this case. This law is pertaining to the transportation of the firearm in a motor vehicle.
    Third, Ohio OMVI law (4511.19)"A "section clearly states that NO ONE may operate a motor vehicle within the state with a blood alcohol content above .08.

    Any more questions about Ohio criminal law?
    Last edited by SIXTO; October 28th, 2006 at 11:21 PM.

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    I normally don't bump threads, but this one needs to be read. Where are you Angio?

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