Violent Flash Mobs in NY

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    The older man was "lucky" he only got a broken arm. He could have been trampled to death. Just because they are teens doesn't mean that they're small. I've seen teenagers who are 6'3 and weigh 280.

    This is just disgusting and is getting more common.

    I think it depends on what state you live in as to how the courts would view shooting one or two of these kids. If you were actually fearing for your life you might not be charged. I wouldn't shoot unless they were a physical threat.

    What would happen if you got a fire extingusher and let them have it with that?
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    This is pathetic. If we lived where flash mobs were a problem I'd decorate my property with claymores.
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    Based on the picture it is typical of the people that are committing the majority of crime in my area. I am an armed senior citizen, I don't fight, but I have no hang-ups when it comes to defending myself in an attack by one or 30 hoodlums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    The older man was "lucky" he only got a broken arm. He could have been trampled to death. Just because they are teens doesn't mean that they're small. I've seen teenagers who are 6'3 and weigh 280.

    This is just disgusting and is getting more common.

    I think it depends on what state you live in as to how the courts would view shooting one or two of these kids. If you were actually fearing for your life you might not be charged. I wouldn't shoot unless they were a physical threat.

    What would happen if you got a fire extingusher and let them have it with that?
    I carry a fire extinguisher in my shoulder holster all the time! ;) If they're attacking, I won't have time to question their motives; six months of psychoanalysis is out of the question.

    Everyone wants to excuse them because "they're only teens." The trouble with that is most of the teens perpetrate the thuggery, armed robbery and killing. I wasn't placed on this earth to be their victim. They need to think about what they are doing before they engage in such behavior, or suffer the consequences for their decisions. It is a part of becoming an adult. If there is more than one attacker, my life is in jeopardy. Their parents had best be prepared to visit either the hospital, or the morgue.

    Game on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunfan View Post
    I carry a fire extinguisher in my shoulder holster all the time! ;) If they're attacking, I won't have time to question their motives; six months of psychoanalysis is out of the question.

    Everyone wants to excuse them because "they're only teens." The trouble with that is most of the teens perpetrate the thuggery, armed robbery and killing. I wasn't placed on this earth to be their victim. They need to think about what they are doing before they engage in such behavior, or suffer the consequences for their decisions. It is a part of becoming an adult. If there is more than one attacker, my life is in jeopardy. Their parents had best be prepared to visit either the hospital, or the morgue.

    Game on.

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    LOL...well, I was thinking more if I was a shop owner faced with a mob. I have NO sympathy for these little animals but I'm not interested in going to prison for manslaughter either. I'd want to be very sure of my position in a flash mob scenerio before I shot one of them. Not that they wouldn't deserve it.
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    I think we need to get a new law passed.

    If you are a part of a flash mob you are a legal target & can be shot on sight.
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    Just put up a Flash Mob Free Zone, that should stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigPapa226 View Post
    I think we need to get a new law passed.

    If you are a part of a flash mob you are a legal target & can be shot on sight.
    Being part of a "flash mob" either is, or should be, organizing/inciting a riot. This is nothing more than organized thuggery, no more, no less.

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    If I were in a place where this broke out and they're just running around taking stuff and knocking things over, then I'd stay out of the way and hope I have the presence of mind to pull out my phone and record as much as possible. If a mob of 20 - 40 people start physically attacking me, I will defend myself with the appropriate level of force.
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    Perhaps NY can start issuing Flash Mob permits and require background checks to weed out the trouble makers.

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    This is the Washington Statute

    RCW 9A.84.010
    Riot.

    (1) A person is guilty of the crime of riot if, acting with three or more other persons, he or she knowingly and unlawfully uses or threatens to use force, or in any way participates in the use of such force, against any other person or against property.

    (2)(a) Except as provided in (b) of this subsection, the crime of riot is a gross misdemeanor.

    (b) The crime of riot is a class C felony if the actor is armed with a deadly weapon.


    [2003 c 53 § 91; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.84.010.]

    Notes:
    Intent -- Effective date -- 2003 c 53: See notes following RCW 2.48.180.

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    Given that the mob is usually only out to steal, and not to assault, I would suggest caution (and knowledge of local laws) in such an event. You are not allowed to use lethal force to defend property in many areas. You cannot use disparity of force in such a situation to justify a shoot, unless you were actually in reasonable fear of gross bodily injury or death.

    I've faced angry mobs before. Usually, it is enough that they see that you are armed. We're talking about opportunistic cowards here - which is why they fearfully hide within the group. These are not trained killers. Take up a defendable position, pull your weapon and keep it visible and ready - and watch the crowd part around you like the sea around Moses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowbait View Post
    Here's a hypothetical question: What are your guys' thoughts on what would actually happen if someone did defend themselves with a firearm given the posted scenario?
    Well my thought is they are either going to scatter like cockroaches at the first crack or there's gonna be a pretty big pile of brass, as far as the lame-stream media? that's a toss up but I would not want to be in the headlines.

    What really needs to happen is 3 or 4 of these mobs need to be taken out in quick succession, then maybe these kids would wise up but I'm not counting on it.
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    Oregon Revised Statutes

    § 166.015¹
    Riot
    (1) A person commits the crime of riot if while participating with five or more other persons the person engages in tumultuous and violent conduct and thereby intentionally or recklessly creates a grave risk of causing public alarm.

    (2) Riot is a Class C felony. [1971 c.743 §218]

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Given that the mob is usually only out to steal, and not to assault, I would suggest caution (and knowledge of local laws) in such an event. You are not allowed to use lethal force to defend property in many areas. You cannot use disparity of force in such a situation to justify a shoot, unless you were actually in reasonable fear of gross bodily injury or death.

    I've faced angry mobs before. Usually, it is enough that they see that you are armed. We're talking about opportunistic cowards here - which is why they fearfully hide within the group. These are not trained killers. Take up a defendable position, pull your weapon and keep it visible and ready - and watch the crowd part around you like the sea around Moses.
    I agree, most of the time in my limited experience a "visual aid" acts as a very good deterrent. As to the part in bold; could you explain a little more? I have never been crystal clear on what is meant by the qualifier "gross" when referring to bodily harm/death, and I think that the disparity alone should be reason enough to defend myself but, that's just me. Does this mean that the harm has to be to a certain extent or some such thing? If so, I think that is ridiculous as well. Why should I have to be hurt at all before defending myself, why should I have to wait until a certain point is reached? By that time it may be too late to take effective action as the mob may be too close, moving too quickly, etc.
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