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    Violence If Confiscation Comes?

    The only ones being violent then are the ones already being violent. Law abiding people (mostly) are people that have things to lose. Such jobs, homes, cars, money and families. Most of these people will turn in their guns and do as told thinking it’s the right thing to do.

    For those of you that say “They can have from my cold dead hands” I call BS unless you already have nothing to lose. If you have something to lose you will give up the guns!

    Owning a firearm is a privilege. NOT A RIGHT as most of you say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clc View Post
    Violence If Confiscation Comes?

    The only ones being violent then are the ones already being violent. Law abiding people (mostly) are people that have things to lose. Such jobs, homes, cars, money and families. Most of these people will turn in their guns and do as told thinking it’s the right thing to do.

    For those of you that say “They can have from my cold dead hands” I call BS unless you already have nothing to lose. If you have something to lose you will give up the guns!

    Owning a firearm is a privilege. NOT A RIGHT as most of you say.
    You're wrong. Dead wrong. I'd go into more detail but I've a feeling you're just trolling trying to start a firestorm so, I'll let it die here.
    “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” --George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by clc View Post
    Violence If Confiscation Comes?

    The only ones being violent then are the ones already being violent. Law abiding people (mostly) are people that have things to lose. Such jobs, homes, cars, money and families. Most of these people will turn in their guns and do as told thinking it’s the right thing to do.

    For those of you that say “They can have from my cold dead hands” I call BS unless you already have nothing to lose. If you have something to lose you will give up the guns!

    Owning a firearm is a privilege. NOT A RIGHT as most of you say.
    No, it's a right... it becomes a privilege only if we let them take them.... and some may.... as you say...

    And long gone are leaders who would risk all that they have; their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor, to stand for the principle that it is a right... one that shall not be (any more) infringed... Men who, at that time had everything to lose... everything... But they still had the will to stand for their beliefs unto death, poverty, or worse...

    There is not a leader today of any party, of any organization, that would go to that extreme... They say every man has a price... and most of us are like Chinese "knock offs" of the real deal.... are all of the greatest generation and it's predecessors gone?

    We've got it too good in this country... and we're gonna give it all away.

    Shame, that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    No, it's a right... it becomes a privilege only if we let them take them.... and some may.... as you say...

    And long gone are leaders who would risk all that they have; their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor, to stand for the principle that it is a right... one that shall not be (any more) infringed... Men who, at that time had everything to lose... everything... But they still had the will to stand for their beliefs unto death, poverty, or worse...

    There is not a leader today of any party, of any organization, that would go to that extreme... They say every man has a price... and most of us are like Chinese "knock offs" of the real deal.... are all of the greatest generation and it's predecessors gone?

    We've got it too good in this country... and we're gonna give it all away.

    Shame, that.
    If it creeps up on us, yes we will end up giving it away. Just like the creeping socialism that has seeped into our Government over recent years.

    If there is a catalyst that aroused people from their torpor, then they would stand & fight like our forefathers. The leader, the catalyst is not here yet. .... and it may never be. Right now .... it is death by a thousand cuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowbait View Post
    You're wrong. Dead wrong. I'd go into more detail but I've a feeling you're just trolling trying to start a firestorm so, I'll let it die here.
    I am not trolling in the least. Sorry you feel that way. We can chat through PM if you like.

    I’m saying if the government comes for your guns and you have nothing to lose you may make them TAKE them not give them over. If you stand to lose something you treasure you will be more willing to GIVE up the guns.

    Gun control is happening every day. There are places we can’t take them, there are guns we can’t own, places we can’t shoot them, modes of travel we can’t take them on, accessories we can’t put on them, the list goes on.

    I believe everyone should have the right (not privilege) to own and carry a firearm if they wish but that’s not the case. When the government can take the right away from one citizen they can take the from all citizens.
    It is a privilege we can lose. It sucks but its true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clc View Post
    Violence If Confiscation Comes?

    The only ones being violent then are the ones already being violent. Law abiding people (mostly) are people that have things to lose. Such jobs, homes, cars, money and families. Most of these people will turn in their guns and do as told thinking it’s the right thing to do.

    For those of you that say “They can have from my cold dead hands” I call BS unless you already have nothing to lose. If you have something to lose you will give up the guns!

    Owning a firearm is a privilege. NOT A RIGHT as most of you say.
    I am a law abiding citizen with a job, a home, cars, money, children, grand children.
    I have never served in the armed forces, I am not an LEO and I have never formally sworn to uphold the Constitution.

    That being said, I have lived a very good life so far and have few regrets. I love my friends, family and country more than words could ever possible describe.
    Though I have never formally taken that afore mentioned oath, I strongly believe that the Constitution and its Bill of Rights are the cornerstone of our way of life and I will absolutely defend it and all it stands for against all enemies, foreign and domestic. You can call BS all you wish, but I assure you that in order to preserve the rights and freedoms that I have enjoyed all my life for my children and grand children, I would not hesitate to fight to my last breath... I owe them nothing less.
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    For all of the people who plan to take up arms/do violence, Remember Waco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whoppo View Post
    I am a law abiding citizen with a job, a home, cars, money, children, grand children.
    I have never served in the armed forces, I am not an LEO and I have never formally sworn to uphold the Constitution.

    That being said, I have lived a very good life so far and have few regrets. I love my friends, family and country more than words could ever possible describe.
    Though I have never formally taken that afore mentioned oath, I strongly beleive that the Constitution and its Bill of Rights are the cornerstone of our way of life and I will absolutely defend it and all it stands for against all enemies, foreign and domestic. You can call BS all you wish, but I assure you that in order to preserve the rights and freedoms that I have enjoyed all my life for my children and grand children, I would not hesitate to fight to my last breath... I owe them nothing less.
    Part in bold-- Defending the constitution means obeying laws passed by Constitutionally authorized bodies (Congress), laws
    signed by a Constitutionally appropriate President, that is, a President elected by the Electoral College and sworn by a Justice.
    It means obeying the ruling of Federal Judges and Supreme Court Justices. NO one can place their personal judgment
    above those bodies and still claim to be a law abiding upholder of our constitution.

    I too call that "word" on those who claim they will fight. At best they are just blowing smoke and talking foolishly.
    At worst, they are inciting others to believe rebellion is somehow lawful or appropriate, which it is not and never has been
    throughout the entirety of our existence as a nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    For all of the people who plan to take up arms/do violence, Remember Waco.
    Not really a good comparison. The victims at Waco were in a compound that was easy to hold under siege.
    Those who, under the threat of unconstitutional agression, would choose to stand their ground against tyrany are distributed and far more difficult to "surround" en masse.

    Don't get me wrong.. the last thing I personally wan't is civil unrest, but I certainly can't support the notion of bending over, grabbing ankles and saying "Baaaaaa".
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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    For all of the people who plan to take up arms/do violence, Remember Waco.
    That could be taken in one of two ways, but there is only one way which is consistent with defending our constitution
    and the system of government it has established. That way is obedience to the laws passed by Congress, signed by a President,
    and not overturned by a court.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Part in bold-- Defending the constitution means obeying laws passed by Constitutionally authorized bodies (Congress), laws
    signed by a Constitutionally appropriate President, that is, a President elected by the Electoral College and sworn by a Justice.
    It means obeying the ruling of Federal Judges and Supreme Court Justices. NO one can place their personal judgment
    above those bodies and still claim to be a law abiding upholder of our constitution.

    I too call that "word" on those who claim they will fight. At best they are just blowing smoke and talking foolishly.
    At worst, they are inciting others to believe rebellion is somehow lawful or appropriate, which it is not and never has been
    throughout the entirety of our existence as a nation.
    - When an act of the legislature is repugnant or contrary to the constitution, it is, ipso facto, void. 2 Pet. R. 522; 12 Wheat. 270; 3 Dall. 286; 4 Dall. 18.

    Until the SCoTUS repeals or redefines the 2A, any contrary legislation passed by Congress and signed by the PotUS is, ipso facto, void. It really is that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    That could be taken in one of two ways, but there is only one way which is consistent with defending our constitution
    and the system of government it has established. That way is obedience to the laws passed by Congress, signed by a President,
    and not overturned by a court.
    That is exactly what some people said right before the revolutionary War.

    There will always be those that try & subvert our rights by arguing that everything the President does is righteous. So I guess you will now defend the President deciding he can kill American Citizens without having any judicial process. Right now it is only overseas, what will you do when it happens here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Part in bold-- Defending the constitution means obeying laws passed by Constitutionally authorized bodies (Congress), laws
    signed by a Constitutionally appropriate President, that is, a President elected by the Electoral College and sworn by a Justice.
    It means obeying the ruling of Federal Judges and Supreme Court Justices. NO one can place their personal judgment
    above those bodies and still claim to be a law abiding upholder of our constitution.

    I too call that "word" on those who claim they will fight. At best they are just blowing smoke and talking foolishly.
    At worst, they are inciting others to believe rebellion is somehow lawful or appropriate, which it is not and never has been
    throughout the entirety of our existence as a nation.
    :sighs: :shakes head: To quote Oakchas; "shame, that^^^".
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    Quote Originally Posted by clc View Post
    For those of you that say “They can have from my cold dead hands” I call BS unless you already have nothing to lose. If you have something to lose you will give up the guns!
    Those who have something to lose have something to protect, firearms are how we protect it. If the constitution would mean nothing to our Government, then the laws they set in place would mean nothing to Americans and that would be the most important time to have a firearm. I really think you underestimate what we would do to protect what we have, and protecting what we have will not be accomplished by giving up our means of protection.
    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable- JFK

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    Correct me if im wrong here but SCOTUS and Congress cannot repeal a constitutional right. Does that not take ratification by the states? Which thanks to fly over country will never happen.

    As far as calling BS you and a lot of others may be surprised at how many realize once we have been disarmed as a people then we really will have nothing to lose. Everything we enjoy now will vaporize like mist within a few years of that happening. Most Americans even liberals unless they are intent on being subjects of a monarchy or communist state will realize that when something like national forced confiscation is attempted.
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