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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Why was Obama elected? Either the first or the second time...Oh yeah they got rules.. they gotta give equal air time to both sides... yeah that's right... they give 3 minutes to Obama, being all eloquent, and oratorical.... and they give three minutes to the other guy tripping over his shoe laces... yeah, equal time...

    And, this country, and it's voting population doesn't want facts, they want brevity... short, little, easy to swallow, even if bitter, pills: sound bites.... and what did the mainstream media give them? Well, let's go to the article:



    If the mainstream media didn't represent the majority of Americans, why are their ratings (=viewership) so much higher than those of conservative outlets? They couldn't afford to stay in business.

    We (our side) has to buy airtime on the mainstream media... and it's got to make the point in nice little sound bites... and it can't compare O to Hitler, and it has to be very carefully crafted... And we've got to have a voice on the social media outlets that doesn't say "like us @ The conservative, right, only reasonable answer, movement for American patriotism#keep our guns"

    And we've got to get some boots on the ground... The left pays for activists.... I've seen ads in local newspapers, in the help wanted section.... really... and they're more prevalent in college towns (for obvious reasons).
    If the majority agreed with the media than guns would be banned already... Look at the turn outs in New York everyday citizens showing up calling the police traitors, and saying they won't give up their mags over 7. Look at the guns on the shelves in gunstores. Look at the number of sheriffs stating they will fight against federal officers. They are simple just trying a differn't attack approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cn262 View Post
    If we start believing this then we've already lost. People who feel that they can't win stop trying to win.

    But, people who understand they are falling behind and need to make a comeback redouble their efforts. They develop a plan, follow it, adjust it as needed, and do everything possible to win.

    I'm in that second category. I'm making logical appeals and using statistics to provide rebuttal to the "scientific sounding" arguments, replying to emotional articles with similar emotional items (e.g., when people bring-up mass shootings, I ask about far greater number of teenagers, mostly minorities, killed by gang violence in large cities like Chicago, shifting the focus (rightfully) to gangs and illegal drugs. I've given several people NRA memberships and am recommending the NRA and GOA to everyone I know. My plan is to make a difference in the way that is most effective with whatever group I am speaking with.

    Just think if each of us had a plan, and spent a little time and money to support and promote our beliefs? The millions of gun owners out there would have a huge impact that could help turn the tides on all of this recent BS. But, everyone needs to realize that we need to get some skin in the game if we ever hope to win.
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    That sounds a lot like my plan of action...great minds thing alike!

    I also think it's time for the next "round" of emails, letters, calls, etc...to our elected representatives, telling them how we feel about these newest proposals. From all accounts, they got a flood right before Obama made his "Gun Control" speech, and that seemed to have had an effect on some of them. Now, we need to reinforce that effect with another flood of communications from individual gun owners, shining a light on the shady tactics the Antis are using to limit our 2nd Amendment Right, not directly, but in lots of different "underhanded" ways. Tell them how we feel about the AWB, about the "high cap mag" ban, about "universal background checks", about laws to make dealers and manufacturers of weapons liable for deaths, and about how many of these proposals are directly contrary to existing laws, such as the 2005 federal law that protects gun dealers and makers from civil actions, and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. Remind them that even VP Biden admits that many of the "gun control" laws currently in place are not even being enforced, so how is adding additional laws going to help?

    We can make our individual voices heard, it just takes some effort. And if Congresscritter "A" gets 75 emails FOR new gun control laws, and 425 AGAINST, I have to believe that it will tickle some piece of their tiny reptilian brain that deals with their (political) survival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cn262 View Post
    If we start believing this then we've already lost. People who feel that they can't win stop trying to win.

    But, people who understand they are falling behind and need to make a comeback redouble their efforts. They develop a plan, follow it, adjust it as needed, and do everything possible to win.

    I'm in that second category. I'm making logical appeals and using statistics to provide rebuttal to the "scientific sounding" arguments, replying to emotional articles with similar emotional items (e.g., when people bring-up mass shootings, I ask about far greater number of teenagers, mostly minorities, killed by gang violence in large cities like Chicago, shifting the focus (rightfully) to gangs and illegal drugs. I've given several people NRA memberships and am recommending the NRA and GOA to everyone I know. My plan is to make a difference in the way that is most effective with whatever group I am speaking with.

    Just think if each of us had a plan, and spent a little time and money to support and promote our beliefs? The millions of gun owners out there would have a huge impact that could help turn the tides on all of this recent BS. But, everyone needs to realize that we need to get some skin in the game if we ever hope to win.
    cn262,
    That sounds a lot like my plan of action...great minds thing alike!

    I also think it's time for the next "round" of emails, letters, calls, etc...to our elected representatives, telling them how we feel about these newest proposals. From all accounts, they got a flood right before Obama made his "Gun Control" speech, and that seemed to have had an effect on some of them. Now, we need to reinforce that effect with another flood of communications from individual gun owners, shining a light on the shady tactics the Antis are using to limit our 2nd Amendment Right, not directly, but in lots of different "underhanded" ways. Tell them how we feel about the AWB, about the "high cap mag" ban, about "universal background checks", about laws to make dealers and manufacturers of weapons liable for deaths, and about how many of these proposals are directly contrary to existing laws, such as the 2005 federal law that protects gun dealers and makers from civil actions, and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. Remind them that even VP Biden admits that many of the "gun control" laws currently in place are not even being enforced, so how is adding additional laws going to help?

    We can make our individual voices heard, it just takes some effort. And if Congresscritter "A" gets 75 emails FOR new gun control laws, and 425 AGAINST, I have to believe that it will tickle some piece of their tiny reptilian brain that deals with their (political) survival.

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    Stop holding up the other side.

    I've said this before: MOVE and move now.

    Take your family, your money, your skills, your work ethic, your votes and move to a State which has elected officials in place and communities whose ideologies are most closely aligned with your own.

    Continue to elect people to office whose ideologies are most closely aligned with your own and vote for people who have a strong moral character.

    Hold all your elected officials accountable and let them experience the consequences (both good or bad) of their actions/inactions.

    First strengthen your family, your home, your block, your neighborhood, your schools, your local community, your town, your county and then continue to grow outwardly.

    The other option is to stay right where you are and hope that the people who are around you will change so much that their ideologies will come into better alignment with your own ideologies...good luck with that.
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    About a year ago, it was discovered that the Lamestream media was using a list=server to coordinate their position on the news so that all the outlets supported the "correct" position. When the list-server was revealed - it was disbanded.

    Do you really think it has not been reconstituted someplace else?

    It is Obummers propaganda machine at work.

    Were will it lead? ....to this country's downfall if not stopped.
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    People are going to get sick of hearing about it. Just like the fiscal cliff, which by the way is around the corner again at the end of this month. So the Gun issue is a convenient distraction for our commander n' thief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    In order to reach the majority of Obama voters you'd have to offer them something free.
    I believe a more accurate statement would be:

    In order to reach the majority of Obama voters Dems stole our money to give them something free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    If the majority agreed with the media than guns would be banned already... Look at the turn outs in New York everyday citizens showing up calling the police traitors, and saying they won't give up their mags over 7. Look at the guns on the shelves in gunstores. Look at the number of sheriffs stating they will fight against federal officers. They are simple just trying a differn't attack approach.
    Oh, izzat why Cuomo and Bloomingidiot keep getting re-elected..? I see a few meetings being attended by many 2nd A supporters... But the majority who are watching the mainstream media are seeing a bunch of rednecks trying to take over these same meetings... and it's edited to look like we're a bunch of big bellied redneck kooks.

    You got all the hollywierd types that make their money on violent movies saying we should get rid of assault weapons... Brad Pitt, someone with some recognition... and on our side.... (he bought Angelina a gun range, for cripes sake) he's silent... We get the "Nuge"... Yipppee
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    A lot of good posts here, it is encouraging.

    Now let's not forget any of this when elections come around again. It was our apathy and blindness to what the liberal agenda really is that has let us get into this spot to begin with. I agree that we must do all we can to turn it around but PLEASE do your research and find out where every person you vote for stands on the liberal agenda. It is all too obvious that the mainstream media is in lock-step with this.

    The liberal agenda is to undermine our Constitution so that this Free Republic that we all love will eventually become a socialistic/communistic dictatorship. I dread to think of what our children and grand children will need to deal with if we can not stop it.

    Don't take my word for this, it does not take a big effort to see what universities and now even high schools are teaching.

    Conspiracy? No there is no conspiracy it is painfully obvious that the liberal Democrats, the mainstream media and many universities are working together in this undermining of the Constitution.

    LEARN something today so you can TEACH something tomorrow.
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    The propoganda machine is working, unfortunately.

    I talked to a friend of mine last weekend & he truly believed that the administration (and DIFI) were trying to ban Machine guns. He could not understand why anyone would need/want one.

    After a while I was able to convince him that the assault weapons/machine guns they were talking about were in fact semi-automatic rifles and pistols. Then he asked why the news kept talking about machine guns. He is not uneducated, it just goes to show you that the propaganda is working.

    We understand here, but how do we get that word out?

    I talk to my friends.
    I email a group pro-2a info & suggest they pass it on to other groups they know.

    Other ideas?
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    Double posted somehow & could not get rid of it.
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    I heard a great quote once: "A Liberal is a Conservative that hasn't been mugged yet."

    And this is very true. Most if not all of the people who support gun bans live in their isolated little microcosm of the real world. For example, politicians and celebrities who are surrounded by armed guards and speak out on gun control.
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    THE SKY IS FALLLING!!! WE'RE LOSING OUR GUN RIGHTS, I JUST KNOW IT!! THS SKY IS FALLING!!!

    Uh, no it isn't, and no we are not. You can buy into that defeatist negative thinking all you want, but I'll choose not to. The NRA and a large group of elected officials (to include law enforcement officials), and military folks are standing up and speaking for our rights. These voices are not going unheeded. Maybe by the mainstream media, but that doesn't really matter.

    As long as you keep writing your letters, sending your emails, your elected ones will know that they mess with us, at their own peril. I've said it a lot, but it's still true today. The only thing these people fear is being out of a job. Keep that pressure up, and it won't matter at all what the lame media is telling the sheep. The executive branch can't take your guns away folks.

    And once again, in case you missed it; the sky is NOT falling. Relax, take a deep breath & be safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbguy29577 View Post
    We need a central voice and a central person to stand up and speak. NRA is fine, La Pierre is OK but isnt very good at speaking or rallying a crowd. He seems kind of wimpy too. We need someone that the average person can identify with and trust. We seem somewhat fragmented and scattered. How do we pull together and come up with a plan? These news agencies find some gun nut job nearby and put him on TV. Not good for any of us when they start screaming.
    I know exactly who we need. We need that Newtown father who spoke so strongly for gun rights and the Constitution:

    SANDY HOOK FATHER OWNS CONGRESS - YouTube

    Nothing would make a point more strongly right now than a Newtown parent who is passionate about our rights.

    A yes, LaPierre comes across as wimpy and with a whiny voice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbguy29577 View Post
    We need a central voice and a central person to stand up and speak. NRA is fine, La Pierre is OK but isnt very good at speaking or rallying a crowd. He seems kind of wimpy too. We need someone that the average person can identify with and trust. We seem somewhat fragmented and scattered. How do we pull together and come up with a plan? These news agencies find some gun nut job nearby and put him on TV. Not good for any of us when they start screaming.
    I disagree. What's needed is for gun owners to "come out" to their friends and family and show them that it's not just nutjobs who own guns.

    Every time I hear someone on here freaking out because they don't want anyone to know they own firearms... (Concealed carry... privacy invasion... "registration is bad!"... etc...) I think "you're missing an opportunity to show people that you don't need to be a crazy person to own a firearm safely. Anti-gun folks think gun people are crazy because the only people they see with guns are crazy people.

    I've said this before... gays "come out of the closet" and make a big deal out of it, because 20% of americans are gay... which means 1 in 5 people you know are gay. People you respect, love, work with, and hang out with. You may not know it, but they're there.

    When someone you know and respect "comes out" as having a particular view that you do not have... it can help change your perspective on that subject. That's what needs to happen with guns in america now.

    In the last year, I've had numerous people say to me: "I didn't know you were a gun person..." and "I didn't know you were a tattoo person..." in both those cases, I was able to say in response: "Does that reduce your respect for me? It shouldn't. Instead, let me tell you why I think the way I do."

    As someone who is known among my friends as being very rational, thoughtful and logical in my reasoning... that carries a LOT of weight. A lot more weight than some talking head that they think is bought and paid for by whoever the conspiracy of the week is.

    Edit for clarification: Since someone will inevitably latch on to the question about concealed carry above and freak out, and be all "OMG OMG OMG! I'd never open carry!" That's fine... I'm not talking about open carrying. I'm talking about coming out to friends and family as a gun owner. That doesn't mean you have to walk around open carrying. You can, of course, if you want... but there ARE valid reasons for CC beyond what I'm talking about here. That said... the point remains... make it known you support the 2nd amendment. Do not remain silent!
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