Why we're ultimately going to lose our gun rights

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    I'm surprised by members who seem convinced that our gun rights are doomed. It would be interesting to see the poll results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    Oh, you mean all those retired military and federal employees, disabled veterans, people on social security, children without enough to eat, unemployed through no fault of their own, etc? Are those the people that are afraid of gun owners? I think not.
    Those are NOT people living on Government handouts. Those are people living on earned entitlements. I've seen people try to twist this around many times...especially during the previous election.

    What we're talking about are the leaches who live off of UNEARNED entitlements for the better part, if not ALL of their lives. From birth to death government handouts with no intention of ever getting a job and helping themselves. However, they have no problem asking for more and more. Free phones, free housing, free medical care, free food and on and on.

    You need to get out of Fairfax Station and see what's going on in the rest of the country where the welfare group hangs out.
    Frankly, I'm FED UP supporting them and they are the ones who vote Democrat and further the Feinstein/Obama/Reid cause.

    ps...no one here is for "starving the children".
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    This is a case where the worst possible outcome is not the most likely one. In my estimation, universal background checks or something similar is likely. Magazine limits are possible, but unlikely and a ban on semi-automatic weapons will not happen. Assuming I am correct, will it mean that we lost our Second Amendment rights? Not in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    Oh, you mean all those retired military and federal employees, disabled veterans, people on social security, children without enough to eat, unemployed through no fault of their own, etc? Are those the people that are afraid of gun owners? I think not.
    That's exactly who I mean. And the leaches of society. And the 47% that have no stake in funding the government. They aren't afraid of gun owners per se but they do fear anyone in a position to interfere with their handouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Those are NOT people living on Government handouts. Those are people living on earned entitlements. I've seen people try to twist this around many times...especially during the previous election.

    What we're talking about are the leaches who live off of UNEARNED entitlements for the better part, if not ALL of their lives. From birth to death government handouts with no intention of ever getting a job and helping themselves. However, they have no problem asking for more and more. Free phones, free housing, free medical care, free food and on and on.

    You need to get out of Fairfax Station and see what's going on in the rest of the country where the welfare group hangs out.
    Frankly, I'm FED UP supporting them and they are the ones who vote Democrat and further the Feinstein/Obama/Reid cause.

    ps...no one here is for "starving the children".
    Anyone receiving support is going to back the ones that promise them the most, regardless of how they came to receive those payments. They will fear anyone that they see as a threat and support any government action that's taken against us. Unfortunately, gun owners tend to oppose large government and prefer freedom rather than dependence on government. Many of us believe we can take care of ourselves. The current political climate views that belief as a threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pir8fan View Post
    Anyone receiving support is going to back the ones that promise them the most, regardless of how they came to receive those payments. They will fear anyone that they see as a threat and support any government action that's taken against us. Unfortunately, gun owners tend to oppose large government and prefer freedom rather than dependence on government. Many of us believe we can take care of ourselves. The current political climate views that belief as a threat.
    You could not be more wrong about that. Do you seriously mean to tell me that you think retired military people are backing the anti's? Also, there are plenty of people on Social Security (which they earned by the way) who are very pro 2A.
    You are confusing the issues. One does not equal the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwarang54 View Post
    Conservative media gets lower ratings because it is labeled conservative. Msm is simply labled mainstream. Conservatives are the only ones who call or it liberal media. Who doesnt want to be called mainstream? It's cool to be like everyone else, even it I don't agree with it.

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    Boys and girls....the Fox network consistently gets higher ratings than any of the others, and they're putting up a pretty good alternative to the big three networks.
    I dunno where all of this pessimism comes from.

    We're turning the debate on guns, we're hammering MSNBC and CNN, and it looks like we're going to win on capitol hill.

    This doom and gloom...it's baseless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    You could not be more wrong about that. Do you seriously mean to tell me that you think retired military people are backing the anti's? Also, there are plenty of people on Social Security (which they earned by the way) who are very pro 2A.
    You are confusing the issues. One does not equal the other.
    I am both and raving pro 2A.
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    We are turning the tide this time. And sadly over the time of this last assault on 2a ive been convinced of something.
    If we are every stripped of 2a it wont be the rabid antis that do it to us. Its gonna be some of our own that in the name of reasonable regulation, safety, etc keep supporting one little seemingly well meaning regulation or law after the other that is clearly infringement. Giving more footing to the gun grabbers by agreeing with them in the name of "being responsible" until we are lost with no choice to do things by ballot or politics anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Those are NOT people living on Government handouts. Those are people living on earned entitlements. I've seen people try to twist this around many times...especially during the previous election.

    What we're talking about are the leaches who live off of UNEARNED entitlements for the better part, if not ALL of their lives. From birth to death government handouts with no intention of ever getting a job and helping themselves. However, they have no problem asking for more and more. Free phones, free housing, free medical care, free food and on and on.

    You need to get out of Fairfax Station and see what's going on in the rest of the country where the welfare group hangs out.
    Frankly, I'm FED UP supporting them and they are the ones who vote Democrat and further the Feinstein/Obama/Reid cause.

    ps...no one here is for "starving the children".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX expat View Post
    Honestly, I think that's about all you can do. Plus do what you can to educate your children and their children.
    ^^THIS for sure^^^....you can bet that when children are being suspended for making finger guns, the plan is to "breed in" a base fear/hatred of firearms. If this is not countered by us, in our households, the effects of this fear/hatred will be seen within 10-15 years when those kids start voting. The blessings of liberty are ours to protect "for ourselves and our posterity." I think some smart guys said that a long time ago. It still applies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckNekkid View Post
    ^^THIS for sure^^^....you can bet that when children are being suspended for making finger guns, the plan is to "breed in" a base fear/hatred of firearms. If this is not countered by us, in our households, the effects of this fear/hatred will be seen within 10-15 years when those kids start voting. The blessings of liberty are ours to protect "for ourselves and our posterity." I think some smart guys said that a long time ago. It still applies.
    Holder said we need to brainwash the American people into thinking guns are bad like cigarettes.
    This the start to that brainwashing. ....If you think about a gun, pretend about a gun, play with a toy gun you are bad, bad, bad. The children are learning that guns are bad from the very beginning.

    We have to get the socialist unions out of our schools. Alternative - send them to private school or home school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWorkman View Post
    This doom and gloom...it's baseless.
    Yeah, you forgot to mention the Supreme Court, for the foreseeable future, at least. However, the point is that the takers have the producers on the run. Since government already usurped the realm of economic policy, the producers have too little information to predict the next move. So they sit on their cash or re-allocate to dwindling pensions. The environment is not conducive to innovation and prosperity. Will government come to an orderly agreement on the debt ceiling or drag it out to another political drama?
    Odds are for the drama because it bolsters positions and attracts brownnosers like most of the illegitimate actions of our nation of sheeps' government of wolves. Obviously, they're winning the battle to pit voting blocs against each other. Our only hope to save the country is to put government in its place because, to quote "the father of our country", "government, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master".
    Here's how. The government is a one-trick pony: for your safety, for the children, "common-sense" measures that we must take based on the (very selective) evidence, more prohibition, bigger government, blah, blah. You don't like guns and ammo. You prefer jackboots confiscating? You don't like drugs. You prefer a corrupt nanny state bleeding wealth and productivity? You fear competition or that the poor won't survive. You prefer that a police state drag down the achievers to the lowest common denominator?
    The common sense is truth. Better to light a candle and to know where you stand than to curse the darkness and to lament loss of rights. You have to choose which side you're on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pir8fan View Post
    That's exactly who I mean. And the leaches of society. And the 47% that have no stake in funding the government. They aren't afraid of gun owners per se but they do fear anyone in a position to interfere with their handouts.
    Sir, if I were to tell you what I think about your statement I would be banned from the DC Forum, but you have the honor to be the first person to be added to my ignore list.
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    The main stream media outlets are pushing the "pen is mightier than the sword" to the hilt........ They are relentless. Our useless local newspaper has something concerning gun control everyday since more than a month ago(anti gun info). They are using the same tactic that they used with the Watergate incident. Not letting up until they convince the public that their agenda is they only way to see it and damn the truth.

    We just have to continue to fight back in anyway we can..... Surrender is not an option......

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