Why won't they just consider trying it our way?

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    Why won't they just consider trying it our way?

    There are no new laws that will curb gun violence. Nothing: not a heigthened background check requirement, ammo background check requirement, mag restrictions, specific weapon restriction .... not one thing that a law maker could suggest as a new law will have an impact on the root of the problem. The root problem is any gun violence is usually either a criminal act in and of itself or the direct result of a criminal act.

    The use of a gun to commit a crime or to prevent a crime -- the only reason you'd use a gun to prevent a crime is in the event of potentially deadly harm, therefore just as serious as using the gun itself -- is an act so deeply profound that no law is going to prevent it.

    So why not try things our way? Lets try eliminating gun free zones, armed citizens, a loosening of restrictions, and an almost militant effort to enforce laws already on the books. Let's try it our way and see what happens to gun violence.

    Because obviously the agenda is not really about curbing violence or preventing crime. The agenda is about control. Pure and simple.
    I'm in favor of gun control -- I think every citizen should have control of a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmacque View Post
    There are no new laws that will curb gun violence. Nothing: not a heigthened background check requirement, ammo background check requirement, mag restrictions, specific weapon restriction .... not one thing that a law maker could suggest as a new law will have an impact on the root of the problem. The root problem is any gun violence is usually either a criminal act in and of itself or the direct result of a criminal act.

    The use of a gun to commit a crime or to prevent a crime -- the only reason you'd use a gun to prevent a crime is in the event of potentially deadly harm, therefore just as serious as using the gun itself -- is an act so deeply profound that no law is going to prevent it.

    So why not try things our way? Lets try gun free zones, armed citizens, a loosening of restrictions, and an almost militant effort to enforce laws already on the books. Let's try it our way and see what happens to gun violence.

    Because obviously the agenda is not really about curbing violence or preventing crime. The agenda is about control. Pure and simple.
    Absolutely could not have said it better myself... I coulda used more words... but I couldn't have said it better.
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    I say they add an automatic 10 year prison sentence onto any felony committed with a gun. That will put most of Chicago and Washington DC away for a long time.

    Won't happen though.
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    But wait, no gun zones in Chicago have been such a success! And criminals in NYC know there odds are in their favor since its so hard to get a gun permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmacque View Post
    There are no new laws that will curb gun violence. Nothing: not a heigthened background check requirement, ammo background check requirement, mag restrictions, specific weapon restriction .... not one thing that a law maker could suggest as a new law will have an impact on the root of the problem. The root problem is any gun violence is usually either a criminal act in and of itself or the direct result of a criminal act.

    The use of a gun to commit a crime or to prevent a crime -- the only reason you'd use a gun to prevent a crime is in the event of potentially deadly harm, therefore just as serious as using the gun itself -- is an act so deeply profound that no law is going to prevent it.

    So why not try things our way? Lets try gun free zones, armed citizens, a loosening of restrictions, and an almost militant effort to enforce laws already on the books. Let's try it our way and see what happens to gun violence.

    Because obviously the agenda is not really about curbing violence or preventing crime. The agenda is about control. Pure and simple.
    That's probably true of some of the politicians, but I think there are a lot of people out there (including some of the politicians) that sincerely believe that gun control will curb the violence. They also believe that the notion of "more guns equates to less violence" is so absurd that there is no convincing them with statistics or historical proof.

    My boss (who is an otherwise intelligent woman) rolls her eyes and dismissively waves me off when I talk about eliminating gun free zones. She is one of those "the streets will run red with rivers of blood" people and there are a lot of them out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I say they add an automatic 10 year prison sentence onto any felony committed with a gun. That will put most of Chicago and Washington DC away for a long time.

    Won't happen though.
    Oh, they wouldn't have a problem with it; only it'll only apply to the otherwise law-abiding public that are only criminals because of their gun control laws. True criminals will still roam the streets and fall through the gaping cracks in the system that enables them today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I say they add an automatic 10 year prison sentence onto any felony committed with a gun. That will put most of Chicago and Washington DC away for a long time.

    Won't happen though.
    Florida has the 10-20-Life (Florida Statute 775.087) minimum mandatory sentences for crimes committed with a gun that is seldom used. Most cases are allowed to be plea bargained by most of our mealy mouth judges. Many cases are continued over and over until the right mealy mouth judge that is known to accept a plea bargain is assigned to the case. So much for our court system.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckusaret View Post
    Florida has the 10-20-Life (Florida Statute 775.087) minimum mandatory sentences for crimes committed with a gun that is seldom used. Most cases are allowed to be plea bargained by most of our mealy mouth judges. Many cases are continued over and over until the right mealy mouth judge that is known to accept a plea bargain is assigned to the case. So much for our court system.........
    If you listen to/watch NRA News - Cam & Company, he gives examples of this occurring every single day. It is surprising how many repeat offenders simply get a "slap on the wrist" over & over again. Its opened my eyes.
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    Stricter laws for criminals would cause the need to build more prisons,so they wont do it

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    Why?? because the democrats ( lefty, antis ) are hypocrites!!!!! Plain and simple!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmacque View Post
    So why not try things our way? Lets try eliminating gun free zones, armed citizens, a loosening of restrictions, and an almost militant effort to enforce laws already on the books. Let's try it our way and see what happens to gun violence.

    Because obviously the agenda is not really about curbing violence or preventing crime. The agenda is about control. Pure and simple.
    The agenda of Liberals is not just about control.
    The Liberal agenda is about turning our Nation of a Free Republic into a socialistic/communistic dictatorship.
    Anyone who can not see this is spending too much time with there head where the sun does not shine. (Think Ostrich.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dV8r View Post
    The agenda of Liberals is not just about control.
    The Liberal agenda is about turning our Nation of a Free Republic into a socialistic/communistic dictatorship.
    Anyone who can not see this is spending too much time with there head where the sun does not shine. (Think Ostrich.)
    You got that right!

    Look what has happened in just the last four years. Obummer said he would "Fundamentally Change This Country" & that change is in progress. We are about to become a third world dictatorship, if he gets his way.
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    There certainly are people, including the anti gun politicians, who's agenda all along has been, and will always be to restrict gun ownership. That's nothing new. Many of the regular Joes who are anti are honestly terrified of guns and their psychological makeup will not allow them to consider even the possibility that any pro-gun stance can be right. They honestly believe that we can get rid of all guns, even the ones in the hands of criminals. They cannot accept the reality that this is not a realistic expectation. And they simply cannot and will not accept even the remote possibility that guns can be used for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I say they add an automatic 10 year prison sentence onto any felony committed with a gun. That will put most of Chicago and Washington DC away for a long time.

    Won't happen though.
    The problem is that Chicago is not even enforcing the laws it has now. If they would enforce their current laws, the added 10 years might not even be necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    My boss (who is an otherwise intelligent woman) rolls her eyes and dismissively waves me off when I talk about eliminating gun free zones. She is one of those "the streets will run red with rivers of blood" people and there are a lot of them out there.
    You should point out to her that the critics were saying the exact same thing back in the early 90's when Florida got its concealed carry law. There was mass panic among the liberal crowd, saying things like, "People will be shooting each other over parking spaces!," and other such stupidity. And of course, we all know what happened; Florida's violent crime rate dropped significantly by every statistic known to man.
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