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    [Re-posted from a VA-ALERT with prior approval of VCDL. First person singular pronouns (I, my, mine, etc) and “PVC” reference Philip Van Cleave, President VCDL]




    We had a huge turnout tonight at the Craig County Board of Supervisors meeting! We filled the room. We also sent a massive onslaught of emails two days ago. The effects of all of your efforts was noticeable.

    The first thing that the Board of Supervisors did was to amend the minutes of their previous meeting to indicate that no one on the Board wanted to have the Pott's Mountain range closed. The minutes (and a witness who as at that previous meeting) said that one of the supervisors did indeed discuss shutting down the range with the Board. However, the Board was not walking, but running, from that position. All of them.

    And let me take my hat off to an excellent public servant - National Forest Ranger Cindy Schiffer. Also hats off to all the National Forest Rangers.

    Ranger Schiffer was polite and very professional when she addressed the Board of Supervisors. She said that the National Forest Service had no intention of closing the range. She noted that the Forest Service had done a sound test when the range was opened and found that the sound of shots monitored on a nearby road was quieter than the cars passing by on that road. She said they did have some problems with trash and they would consider closing the range on Tuesday mornings to allow time for them to pick up the trash. She also said that if the Board of Supervisors really felt there was an issue with sound, the Forest Service could plant some conifer trees. However the range is free, so the Forest Service didn't want to spend any unnecessary funds on such things.

    After Ranger Schiffer finished I talked to her outside the meeting room and thanked her for standing with gun owners and providing a valuable service to the citizens of Virginia. I also told her that VCDL was in the process of organizing volunteers who would help with the range clean up. (EM John Wilburn has volunteered to head up such an effort.) She said she would be grateful for any help she could get.

    There is also a problem with some vandalism at the range. If you see anybody vandalizing the range, call the Craig County Sheriff's department, who patrol the forest as part of their duties.

    After I finished speaking to Ranger Schiffer, I headed back into the meeting because I still wanted to address the Board of Supervisors.

    IT GOT UGLY FOR A FEW MINUTES

    They finally called for pubic input and I stepped up the microphone.

    As soon as I finished identifying myself and began to address the issue of the Board of Supervisors trying to affect the right of citizens to use the Potts Mountain shooting range, the chairwoman, Ms. Harrison tried to shut me down, saying that I needed to make an appointment to make a presentation to the Board.

    I said I wasn't making a presentation, but simply addressing an issue that was in front of the Board.

    She continued to interfere with my message to the Board. I believe that she just wanted me to shut up and let the issue just go away.

    Some of the VCDL members in the audience at that point stood up and said I could use their time to speak. Ms. Harrison said it wasn't about time.

    Finally, Ms. Harrison relented and I addressed the Board. I told them that ANY attempt to discourage the Forest Service having that range was unacceptable and would betray Virginia gun owners. Most of them nodded their heads in agreement and one of them wanted to look anywhere, but at me.

    Having got the point across, I stepped down from the podium. At that point a resident stepped up and gave them hell for even thinking about closing or reducing the range's hours. ;-)

    Bottom line: the range is safe! Thanks to all who helped us protect that range, especially those who flooded that hearing!

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    An article from yesterday - the backpedalling had already begun (VCDL mentioned):

    Shooting range noise, nuisance become targets | OurValley.org

    Shooting range noise, nuisance become targets

    By Meg Hibbert
    CRAIG COUNTY – A nearby resident’s complaint to a Craig County Board of Supervisors’ member about noise from a shooting range on National Forest land has riled up local gun enthusiasts.

    But Craig County leaders say they are not asking to have the National Forest Service close the Potts Slope Shooting Range, built in 1994. They want to know what the Forest Service could do to make the range a better neighbor, Supervisor Martha Murphy said this week.

    Eastern Divide District Ranger Cindy Schiffer is scheduled to be at the supervisors’ meeting which starts at 5:30 p.m. this Thursday, Feb. 7, to explain how the range operates and what possibly could be done to buffer the noise.

    Meanwhile, local gun enthusiasts are up in arms about what they perceive as a threat to Second Amendment rights, and some plan to be at Thursday’s meeting to speak during the “Hear the Public” portion of the meeting.

    Craig County Republican Party Chairman Jordan Labiosa started a running dialog on his Facebook page Feb. 1 when he posted a section of minutes from the January supervisors’ meeting. On Feb. 4, Labiosa called on people to “Stand up with the Craig County GOP in opposition to shutting down the Gun Range!”

    In a telephone interview that same day, Labiosa, who is 19, said, “If you live in Craig County and the sound of guns is annoying to you, you should probably leave Craig County.”

    Monday night, the president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League sent a message to members asking them to send thousands of emails to Craig supervisors to oppose closing the range, and asked people to “pack the audience with gun owners.”

    The shooting range came up at the January supervisors’ meeting, when Simmonsville District Supervisor Murphy brought up concerns she’d heard from someone who lives in the Potts Mountain District near the range off Rt. 311, she said. The resident said the noise from the range went on at all hours, 24 hours a day, she said, and was disturbing neighbors with noise and trash.

    In a telephone interview on Feb. 4, though, Schiffer said the range is supposed to be closed from dusk until dawn, and is signed that way, “with periodic patrolling.” No one has contacted her in her Blacksburg office about noise at night from the Potts Mountain site, she said.

    “Most of the feedback we get from the range is positive. They appreciate having a range without having to go to a private gun range to go shoot.”

    According to board minutes from the January meeting, supervisors asked Craig County Sheriff Clifford Davidson about the gun range noise – which the sheriff said he said he can hear from his home on John’s Creek – and that he believes people that use the range are mostly from outside Craig. Supervisors decided to ask Ranger Schiffer to attend this week’s meeting.

    Republican Party Chairman Labiosa said the party’s vice chairman, Jesse Spence, routinely attends supervisors’ meetings. See Labiosa’s letter to the editor in this week’s Feb. 6 issue of The New Castle Record.

    Carl Bailey, the supervisor who represents the Potts Mountain District, said in a phone interview on Feb. 4 he has not had any residents contact him about noise at the gun range.

    And he has no intentions of asking the National Forest to close the range, he said.

    “Lord, no. I’m a very avid hunter. I appreciate having the shooting range being as close to me as it is. Not everybody has that availability.” Bailey added he believes “maybe the Forest Service should have some other shooting ranges put up in the county so they wouldn’t have to go so far to get to one.”

    He added, “Maybe Frances Hall Road (also in National Forest land area) might be a place where they could come out of Giles County.

    Bailey said he has not heard any shooting from the range after dark. “It is during daylight hours,” he said.

    In the telephone interview with The New Castle Record Monday, Supervisor Murphy said she is not asking for the range to be closed down, “but if the hours could be limited, if that is the main objection from the folks that can hear the noise.”

    Ranger Schiffer said Monday, “Shooting ranges provide a safe, controlled environment for target practice and I have no plans to close the range. I’m attending the meeting at the board’s request and am happy to discuss our management intent and practices with all concerned.”

    She added, “Sound carries and there is more noise when the leaves are off the trees and there is cold air. There is not a whole lot we can do about it because of the terrain, but we can look at planting some conifers,” Schiffer said.

    She said she has not had any complaints about the Potts Mountain range. “Sometimes we get calls about the Blacksburg Shooting Range in Montgomery County near Pandapas Pond. The shooting range is across Rt. 460 and that’s the noise they’re hearing.

    “Once people understand National Forests are open to hunting, they understand why we would provide that.

    Especially now, people have heightened awareness of gun rights,” said Schiffer, who has been the ranger for the Eastern Divide Ranger District since 2001. Her office and her home are in Blacksburg.

    Craig County Administrator Richard Flora on Monday said, “I think there is a misconception. The word is out there that the county wants to close the shooting range down and that’s not correct. What supervisors are asking is if there is anything that could be done to help the noise,” Flora said. “No one wants to close it down.”

    Murphy said she believes “We asked Craig County Sheriff Clifford Davidson to patrol a little more often, and verify for us if it is a nuisance or if it is under control. It is beneficial to have a shooting range set up in the county. I’m sure hunters are using it in a manner it is designed for,” she said. “But the nuisance is something to pay attention to. Maybe it’s being used for some other purposes that it is not intended for. We’ll wait and hear from the sheriff’s office after some time.”

    For a summary of the Feb. 7 Craig County Board of Supervisors’ meeting, read the Feb. 13 issue of The New Castle Record.
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    And this from WDBJ7 tonight:

    All a misunderstanding - wdbj7.com [ VIDEO]
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    There is power in numbers. Great job.
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    Good meeting. I think the anti 2A politicians, on every level, are going to be surprised at the hornets nest they've stirred.
    I guess after the last 4 years they assume everyone is asleep. They're not.
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    Good for you guys/gals

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    The shooting range came up at the January supervisors’ meeting, when Simmonsville District Supervisor Murphy brought up concerns she’d heard from someone who lives in the Potts Mountain District near the range off Rt. 311, she said. The resident said the noise from the range went on at all hours, 24 hours a day, she said, and was disturbing neighbors with noise and trash.
    Carl Bailey, the supervisor who represents the Potts Mountain District, said in a phone interview on Feb. 4 he has not had any residents contact him about noise at the gun range.

    And he has no intentions of asking the National Forest to close the range, he said.

    “Lord, no. I’m a very avid hunter. I appreciate having the shooting range being as close to me as it is. Not everybody has that availability.” Bailey added he believes “maybe the Forest Service should have some other shooting ranges put up in the county so they wouldn’t have to go so far to get to one.”

    He added, “Maybe Frances Hall Road (also in National Forest land area) might be a place where they could come out of Giles County.

    Bailey said he has not heard any shooting from the range after dark. “It is during daylight hours,” he said.
    Typical. Anti-gun whiner reports full-scale fire-fights with artillery and air support going on 24 hours a day and the FACTS disprove the whine. I've seen anti-2A folks lie through their teeth at public hearings about noise control and sound tests. Disgusting.

    It would be hysterical if it weren't the damn truth and a waste of time and money.

    Good job, Virginia!
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    I just read the editorial page in yesterday's paper, something I rarely do as it's mostly complaining how things aren't like "back home," and surprisingly the letters were overwhelmingly in favor of 2A and protecting it as is. Maybe there's hope for these transplants yet.
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    I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Good meeting. I think the anti 2A politicians, on every level, are going to be surprised at the hornets nest they've stirred.
    I guess after the last 4 years they assume everyone is asleep. They're not.
    The problem is that most pro-gun people have been asleep for the past 4 years, and for many years before that. The current anti gun push has finally awakened the sleeping giant. This will indeed be a hornet's nest, of epic proportions. You're right, the anti's were not expecting it. They got a huge surprise. They expected everybody to just go along with their "reasonable restrictions." As a result of the hornet's nest being disturbed, the politicians are now concentrating on "universal background checks" instead of fighting hard for the AWB, which they know they can't win. Now we need to keep the hornets after them until they understand that "shall not be infringed" means exactly that.

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    If only all gun owners were united....... Then we would have some clout....... But alas that is not to be.........
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    Think Niemöller

    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    If only all gun owners were united....... Then we would have some clout....... But alas that is not to be.........
    VCDL has long had the position (like NATO) that an attack on any aspect of the RKBA (member) is an attack on all.

    Maybe, just maybe the time is coming when folk will wake-up and realize that we are all under attack.

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    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me--
    and there was no one left to speak for me.

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    Good on them for making their voices heard! And, thanks to the VCDL for all of their hard work as well!!
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