State of the union and rebbutals transcript (2nd amendment portions only)

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    State of the union and rebbutals transcript (2nd amendment portions only)

    Here are the words spoken by the President, Rand Paul (for the Tea party), and Marco Rubio (for the Republican Party)... In order of length (words spoken)

    President Obama:

    It has been two months since Newtown. I know this is not the first time this country has debated how to reduce gun violence, but this time is different. Overwhelming majorities of Americans -- Americans who believe in the Second Amendment -- have come together around commonsense reform, like background checks that will make it harder for criminals to get their hands on a gun. Senators...

    Senators -- senators of both parties are working together on tough new laws to prevent anyone from buying guns for resale to criminals. Police chiefs are asking our help to get weapons of war and massive ammunition magazines off our streets, because these police chiefs, they’re tired of seeing their guys and gals being outgunned.

    Each of these proposals deserves a vote in Congress.

    Now...

    If you want to vote no, that’s your choice. But these proposals deserve a vote, because in the two months since Newtown, more than a thousand birthdays, graduations, anniversaries have been stolen from our lives by a bullet from a gun. More than a thousand.

    One of those we lost was a young girl named Hadiya Pendleton. She was 15 years old. She loved Fig Newtons and lip gloss. She was a majorette.

    She was so good to her friends, they all thought they were her best friend.

    Just three weeks ago, she was here, in Washington, with her classmates, performing for her country at my inauguration. And a week later, she was shot and killed in a Chicago park after school, just a mile away from my house.

    Hadiya’s parents, Nate and Cleo, are in this chamber tonight, along with more than two dozen Americans whose lives have been torn apart by gun violence. They deserve a vote.

    They deserve a vote.

    They deserve a vote.

    Gabby Giffords deserves a vote.

    The families of Newtown deserve a vote.

    The families of Aurora deserve a vote.

    The families of Oak Creek, and Tucson, and Blacksburg, and the countless other communities ripped open by gun violence, they deserve a simple vote.

    They deserve -- they deserve a simple vote.

    Our actions will not prevent every senseless act of violence in this country. In fact, no laws, no initiatives, no administrative acts will perfectly solve all of the challenges I’ve outlined tonight.
    ...
    Rand Paul for tea party rebuttal

    I have seen the inner sanctum of Congress and believe me there is no monopoly on knowledge there.

    If they will not listen, if they will not balance the budget, then we should limit their terms.

    We are the party that adheres to the Constitution. We will not let the liberals tread on the Second Amendment!

    We will fight to defend the entire Bill of Rights from the right to trial by jury to the right to be free from unlawful searches.

    We will stand up against excessive government power wherever we see it.

    We cannot and will not allow any President to act as if he were a king.

    We will not let any President use executive orders to impinge on the Second Amendment.

    We will not tolerate secret lists of American citizens who can be killed without trial.

    Montesquieu wrote that there can be no liberty when the executive branch and the legislative branch are combined. Separation of powers is a bedrock principle of our Constitution.

    We took the President to court over his unconstitutional recess appointments and won.

    If necessary, we will take him to court again if he attempts to legislate by executive order.

    Congress must reassert its authority as the protector of these rights, and stand up for them, no matter which party is in power.

    Congress must stand as a check to the power of the executive, and it must stand as it was intended, as the voice of the people.

    Republican Response by Marco Rubio

    Of course, we face other challenges as well. We were all heart broken by the recent tragedy in Connecticut. We must effectively deal with the rise of violence in our country. But unconstitutionally undermining the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans is not the way to do it.
    Neither of the opponents specifically addressed the specific items mentioned by Obama:
    1. Straw purchases
    2. Universal Background Checks
    3. Assault Weapons
    4. Magazine Capacity



    Both the Tea party and the Republicans spoke of Constitutionality of laws... Just a clue here kids... Republicans and Democrats think that UBCs are constitutional... (after all, we already have background checks, assuring that EVERYBODY (but the criminals) has to go through them would not be unconstitutional, in their eyes). I am uncertain of where the Tea Party stands on the constitutionality of UBCs.

    Don't get me going about the cops being "outgunned..." Even the really bad guys don't have APC/Half track/ Tanks... Most every cop car has got an AR in the trunk. But I am glad Obama mentioned Oak Creek... The Chief from Oak Creek was in that one hour debate in Wisconsin... He DOES NOT WANT MAG LIMITS or AWBs. (IIRC)

    It's time for a new letter writing campaign... to all our reps.. give them REASONS to vote against UBCs, MAG LIMITS, AWBs. Call, Email, fax, too.

    By the time we vote them out for trampling on our rights, it will be too late. And we have never gotten any new blood to reverse laws that were passed by their predecessors as regards the 2nd Amendment.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    Face it kids, America as I knew it as a kid is dead. We will be a bankrupt, socialist, welfare state before Obama leaves office. As I watched the Obamacare vote pass in 2010 with applause I knew we were in trouble. As I watched the election in 2012 with more applause from most, I knew we were in trouble.

    And as I watched the state of the union last night and all the "lawmakers" applauding for outright lies I was struck with a line from the remade Star Wars movies: "so this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause".

    As Benjamin Franklin left the hall in Philadelphia, he was asked, “What kind of government have you given us, Dr. Franklin?” He replied: “A republic, if you can keep it.”

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    These statements are meant to be brief outlines by parties on position alone, not the opening argument of a live debate. Oby's still trying to sell the country on his position's when the campaign ended 3 months ago. I'd like to know...

    Just what exactly does he think he deserves besides a vote? This happened on healthcare and if it does again, I will have erased all doubt in my mind that we are the stupidestcountry in the world for falling for that, twice.

    Who is feeding him this information that "...because these police chiefs, they’re tired of seeing their guys and gals being outgunned." as if it is a common wide spread occurrence that everyone with an AR15, 30 rnd mags, etc has their local Police out gunned? Are Police budgets that strained?

    This play never fails for him, pitting people against each other. Except this time it is especially dangerous because this paints it as an openly armed conflict. I cant help but get that sick feeling that this wont end well. He didnt pick these words by accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xsigma40cal View Post
    ... This happened on healthcare and if it does again, I will have erased all doubt in my mind that we are the stupidestcountry in the world for falling for that, twice.
    Not the stupidest country... The stupidest legislature... We didn't vote for Obamacare... (the legislators did)

    We (that's collectively, btw) did vote him back into office though...
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    See how quickly this thread went from 2nd Amendment to Obamacare!!!
    “You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic.”

    ― Robert A. Heinlein,

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