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    Interesting take by FBI

    With all this screeching about so called "assault rifles", theres an interesting piece fom the FBI crime data how murders were commited. Granted firearms (they're so convenient)does the most, but what I find most interesting is the number of murders commited by rifles, of which group the assualt weapons are part of, as compared to muders by punching, kicking, beating, & pushing. Where is the outrage over that?

    FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
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    "Just the facts ma'am, nothing but the facts". Oh, wait! They don't want the facts , do they?
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    Take a look at the other tables too, lots of good info
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    Interesting that the numbers are VERY similar every year.

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    It's called "never let a crisis go to waste" - especially when you're shoving a political agenda down American's throats. Don't confuse people with the fact that they are more likely to be hit by lightning than to be shot at with one of those "assault weapons," just parade the statistically insignificant number of number of victims around to evoke sympathy. Meanwhile, cry "it's for the children" and "if it saves just one life."

    Suzannne Gratia Hupp of Texas has as compelling as story as does Gabby Giffords, except she's coming from the side of saving lives by not being defenseless.

    How many lives did Jeanne Assam save in Colorado Springs because she was armed and her church was not a "gun free zone?" Indeed, how many children's lives did she save?

    Would the Petit women in Connecticut be any less dead today if there were stricter gun laws?

    If the were truly after safety and saving lives, they'd actually study the data that our tax dollars pay and reach conclusions that don't necessarily line up with an agenda. Sadly, they gets lost among the emotion of "we've got to so something" mentality, which of course is supported by the popular news media.
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    A stat that I would find most relevant would be what percentage of murders are committed by people who were previously released from prison?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12 gauge View Post
    "Just the facts ma'am, nothing but the facts". Oh, wait! They don't want the facts , do they?
    They don't let minor inconveniences like facts get in the way.

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    And the firearm homicide rate has been steadily declining over the last 5 years as firearms sales have rapidly increased...hmmm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    And the firearm homicide rate has been steadily declining over the last 5 years as firearms sales have rapidly increased...hmmm!
    The total murder victims went down 2,252 from 2007 to 2011.

    Also from the chart -- In every year the number of murders by knives, blunt objects and personal weapons(hands, fists, etc.) were more than by rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stanislaskasava View Post
    A stat that I would find most relevant would be what percentage of murders are committed by people who were previously released from prison?
    And also, what percentage of murders are criminal on criminal - which means no net loss to society.
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    Dont forget as well, when the gun control folks say X number of people were killed by firearms.. they are including criminals that got shot and killed by police to.. so unless they are going to regulate/legislate/ban and confiscate from police... dont even..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    And the firearm homicide rate has been steadily declining over the last 5 years as firearms sales have rapidly increased...hmmm!
    Here is the effect in Virginia.

    VA Sales_vs_Crime.jpg

    X axis is year and Y axis is rate.
    The article does not state explicitly, but I believe the rate is per 100,000 people from the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigPapa226 View Post
    Here is the effect in Virginia.

    VA Sales_vs_Crime.jpg
    I don't see the scale reference anywhere. Are the numbers per 1000 people or something else?
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    Wonder how long it will be before some political hack starts telling the FBI you can't publish that sort of information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bombthrower77 View Post
    I don't see the scale reference anywhere. Are the numbers per 1000 people or something else?
    X axis is year and Y axis is rate.
    The article does not state explicitly, but I believe the rate is per 100,000 people from the discussion.

    I've annotated the post accordingly.
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