Barack Obama & Wayne LaPierre

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    Barack Obama & Wayne LaPierre

    ONE is the greatest gun and ammo salesman of the last 20 years.

    THE OTHER is the greatest spokesman for gun control of the last 20 years.

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    I see what you did there and it's a great point.....but would be completely missed by anyone that has drank the kool aid.

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    The first one is obvious.

    Can you explain the second one?
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    Don't get me started... Both statements are true.
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    Ok, I'll bite and call you out on saying Wayne is anti-gun.

    Have you read Wayne's book from 1994 called Guns, Crime and Freedom.

    Wayne may be getting older, and seemingly a bit less effective than he used to be, but he is anything but anti-gun.
    You must have him mistaken with someone else who works for the NRA, for Wayne has championed gun ownership, traveled around the country and globe for that matter to talk FOR gun ownership, for the last 28+ years.
    Yep, must be someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    Ok, I'll bite and call you out on saying Wayne is anti-gun.

    Have you read Wayne's book from 1994 called Guns, Crime and Freedom.

    Wayne may be getting older, and seemingly a bit less effective than he used to be, but he is anything but anti-gun.
    You must have him mistaken with someone else who works for the NRA, for Wayne has championed gun ownership, traveled around the country and globe for that matter to talk FOR gun ownership, for the last 28+ years.
    Yep, must be someone else.
    I think it was more of an allusion to Wayne fear mongering than it was saying that he is anti-gun.
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    Ok I'll start the flames. The NRA has been the FORMOST and BEST thing to keep all of the 2nd Amendment from being destroyed. I agree they send way too much print material asking for money. That is what it takes to beat these "well meaning" people. I don't send to every thing they send, but I have stepped up more than in the past. I am a little older than most on this site, but after JFK was killed the uproar was just as big as today. Check out what we had before the GCA of 68. The difference? 24 hr news and the internet. If it wasn't for the NRA at that time and many times since we would be talking about what we should have done or worse, you young guys wouldn't have ever known about guns. They would have all been banned and outlawed in the 60's. I think Wayne has done a good job presenting the facts and who could deny "The only way to beat a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" The bad side of the NRA's position in my opinion is they are basing all on the facts. The anti's could care less about saving kids or stopping crime. All they want is total socialism. It is a control issue not a gun issue. That being said I don't know what else we can do other than contact your local Congress people to keep up the fight. The NRA is doing their part and so is Wayne. Untill then why bash the only groups who are doing something. I include the GOA and all other groups who seem to be catching just as much crap from gunowners and 2A supporters than from the anti's. I am frustrated also, but don't eat our own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fish View Post
    ONE is the greatest gun and ammo salesman of the last 20 years.

    THE OTHERis the greatest spokesman for gun control of the last 20 years.

    Comments???
    The last 20 years? Obama has spurred ammo and gun sales to all-time highs. He has been the best single thing to ever happen for NRA membership recruitment, as well. I'm not sure what your gripe is with LaPierre, but nothing he has warned us of regarding Obama has been disproved yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DontTreadOnI View Post
    I think it was more of an allusion to Wayne fear mongering than it was saying that he is anti-gun.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    The last 20 years? Obama has spurred ammo and gun sales to all-time highs. He has been the best single thing to ever happen for NRA membership recruitment, as well. I'm not sure what your gripe is with LaPierre, but nothing he has warned us of regarding Obama has been disproved yet.



    ^^^^as Mike has duly noted^^^^^^^^^^^

    It really isn't fear mongering if what one says is either the truth, or has, through time been proven to be true.
    Just because one fails to see the handwriting on the wall, for lack of wanting to stand in front of the wall, doesn't negate the existence of the writing being on the wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    ^^^^as Mike has duly noted^^^^^^^^^^^

    It really isn't fear mongering if what one says is either the truth, or has, through time been proven to be true.
    Just because one fails to see the handwriting on the wall, for lack of wanting to stand in front of the wall, doesn't negate the existence of the writing being on the wall.
    Just to be clear, I agree that LaPierre isn't fear mongering. I was only speculating on the intent of the OP, not agreeing with him.
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    I have been an NRA member for a number of years now.

    I was guilty of accusing them of fear mongering the last couple of years, rolling my eyes at the emails and letters in the mail. I thought we were past the years of the hardcore anti gun movement. Murders had been steadily dropping, I thought we had crossed a threshold.

    I was wrong and for that I apologize.
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    Yeah, I can't be against LaPierre. He has lead the charge and carried the Guidon for many, many years. He has done a fantastic job, especially years back when people weren't as gun friendly as they are now.
    Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.

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    I don't believe that LaPierre is fear mongering.

    Cons:
    I believe that he, and his organization, is not doing all that they can for our cause at this time...
    I believe that he is not the best spokesman for our cause, or for the NRA membership.
    I believe they will do the best they can do with the tools they choose to use.
    I believe they will lose, after intense negotiation, some major battles in this fight for our rights. (read UBCs, and possibly mag limits)
    I believe they are not willing to leave 110% on the field of battle.
    I believe that whatever we lose this time, we will never get back.

    Pros:
    They're the largest organization fighting for our rights.
    They are a powerful lobby.
    They have good programs.

    YMMV
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    Rats!
    It could be worse!
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    Just to clarify;
    I did not say LaPierre was either anti-gun or pro-gun control..that would be ridiculous.
    What I said was that he is a great spokesman for the gun control people.
    I also did not criticize the NRA as an organization (I'm a member). I criticized some of the leadership for their positions. There is a big difference between one critique and the other.
    It does not have to be all or nothing.This applies to politics in general.
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    I haven't always agreed with Wayne or the stance the NRA decided to take. In fact, I left the NRA when they started their "jackbooted thugs" campaign against the ATF, back in the 90's. I believe President George H.W. Bush cancelled his life membership at the same time, and for the same reasons.

    I had a lot of friends that were ATF agents, and though one could find many faults with that agency then and still today, it was disingenuous IMHO to paint all of those agents with that broad brush. I returned to the NRA fold many years later, when they appeared to have their direction refocused.

    Like some have already said, they're doing what they can, and they are still the largest voice in support of our 2nd amendment rights. I'll support the little guys too, because the more the merrier, but unlike Oakchas, I don't think I could do a better job than they are doing already.

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