Do "rights" come from the Constitution?

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    Question Do "rights" come from the Constitution?

    A lot of folks think that the first 10 Amendments of our Constitution (Bill of Rights) 'give' rights to us.

    Wrong!

    The "rights' were in place BEFORE the Constitution.

    Read them again.

    The Bill of Rights were written as a prohibition against government infringing on your rights.

    It is simple.

    Government shall not take away or interfere with these rights.

    If you think of your right to bear arms as a given, any law that diminishes your right is fundamentally wrong.

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    You get it. However, it is evident that many elected officials do not. Don't get me started.
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    The Bill of Rights is the collective name for the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. These limitations serve to protect the natural rights of liberty and property. They guarantee a number of personal freedoms, limit the government's power in judicial and other proceedings, and reserve some powers to the states and the public. While originally the amendments applied only to the federal government, most of their provisions have since been held to apply to the states by way of the Fourteenth Amendment.



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    You shouldn't be too hung up on the word "give".
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    The Constitution and Bill of Rights only confirm our rights as citizens of this country.
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    If people do not defend their rights they don't lose those rights. But someone else will prevent their ability to excersise those rights. Practically speaking the effect is the same.

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    The framers of the constitution believed the rights came from God...... The constitution / admendments were the documenting of it.
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    Our founders had the amazing foresight to see and understand the true nature of power. A government has more power than any individual ever could; even dictators must rely on an infrastructure to have their decisions carried out and enforced. And power, as we all know, corrupts. Our Constitution was written to place boundaries on our government to ensure our citizens would be free from abuse and tyranny. That is the Constitutions purpose: to put limitations on our government and protect the God-given (and yes, our forefathers were religious) freedoms of our citizenry.

    It is an unfortunate, and perhaps ultimately catastrophic fact that the vast majority of Americans, including those who have been elected, don't understand or remember this; or they choose to ignore it.
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    If you believe what our founders believed (that our Rights come from the Creator), then it would not matter if the 2A (or any other part of the Bill of Rights) were repealed tomorrow. You would still have a "right" to arms...though the exercise of said right would then have big-boy consequences.

    There was considerable debate at the time about whether the Bill of Rights was a good idea or not. Those opposed feared that any right not mentioned would be stripped away from the People by the government.

    If you read our history, you realize what an incredible group of people our founders were. Not perfect, mind you - but pretty amazing nonetheless.
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    I find the idea of where "rights come from" to be a bit philosophically confusing.
    That said, I think the idea of enumerated restrictions on the government don't 'create' rights for people. It's a simple restriction of government rights. Actual rights come from tradition and consensus. Or, at least, that's what I think. Like I said, I find it confusing
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    Re: Do "rights" come from the Constitution?

    Rights are only given by God until a man who thinks he's God takes them away.

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    I am waiting for the present god to take away the sins of the world. Hopefully it will be today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    The Constitution and Bill of Rights only confirm our rights as citizens of this country.
    And before this was a Country, these Rights were given to all, by our Creator.

    Of course the Rights still belong to all, it is only that evil men take them from some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dV8r View Post
    And before this was a Country, these Rights were given to all, by our Creator.

    Of course the Rights still belong to all, it is only that evil men take them from some.
    Or taken by force from King John in 1215, which means they came to us through the efforts of those who held John's head to a tree (figuratively), and compelled him to sign the "Magna Carta (Latin for Great Charter),[1] also called Magna Carta Libertatum or The Great Charter of the Liberties of England." It was added to and changed through the ages, and some but not all of our ideas of "rights" come from that history. There were many in that day who didn't consider that these rights came from G-d. "In return for King John's submission to his papal and universal authority, Innocent III declared Magna Carta annulled" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta


    I think a better more pragmatic way of looking at the issue then to place a divine hand upon any particular right is to look at the historic evolution of law and governance from early Roman history through the first 1800 years of the common era. Man's own view of right and wrong has evolved; no one questioned the right of a father to kill his children (pater familias), and not that many years ago either; just as few questioned Roman or American slavery, and
    defended both as a property right-- I doubt that there was a divine hand in that.
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    God isn't in the one trying to ban certain weapons.Sadly,i think a couple of them in washington thinks they are god.
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