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If a person is convicted for possession of illegal drugs and is sent to prison, why can't the guards prevent drugs from getting into the prison?
If you cannot prevent drug trafficking in a prison, how are you going to enforce a gun ban outside of prison?
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I need to play both sides of your soliloquy before I can bring it before anti-gun progressives.
How many guns are smuggled into prisons? Very few?
Are you in favor of legalizing all drugs?
I need to explore both sides to form a more sound opinion.
I think what you're saying is:
Illegal drug laws haven't been very effective on controlling illegal drugs, so you would expect that gun control laws would not be very effective either?
BTW I tend to agree with that, the track history is pretty much there.
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Well, then there is that pesky Constitutional issue. One is protected by the Constitution so that we may protect ourselves. The other is not protected by the Constitution and also happens to be very destructive. That and most people are highly unlikely to hide an AR15 or 44 Magnum up their bum.
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They are two different environments. But I agree with your point: even in a barred, locked, controlled environment, implementing a full and complete ban and confiscation of an item such that it's "item"-free can't be done; thus, in an open society with free transactions between people, it's simply not possible to become gun-free no matter how much unconstitutional procedural dallying occurs.If you cannot prevent drug trafficking in a prison, how are you going to enforce a gun ban outside of prison?
No exactly sure what drugs in prison,has to do with gun control outside of it.
Whether this was the OP's intent or not, there is actually a point that can be made in this discussion.
Millions of law-abiding citizens legally own millions of guns. Millions of citizens that do not abide by the law -- regardless of how you feel about the detrimental effects, if any, of pot-smoking or the legalization of drugs such as marijuana -- posses illegal drugs. So it's pretty clear that laws regarding gun control are not going to have any more success than current laws regarding the possession of illegal drugs.
And the difference in our favor? We may not win the numbers game, but I can beat you with a bullet faster than you can beat me with a syringe.
I'm in favor of gun control -- I think every citizen should have control of a gun.
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I've used the argument "They can't keep illegal drugs from South America out of the pockets of Junior High kids, but they think they can keep illegal guns out of the pockets of hardened criminals. Dream on."
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The government has been unable to stop millions of illegal aliens from crossing the border. They have been unable to stop hundreds of tons of drugs from crossing the border every year. What makes anyone think that the government could stop illegal guns from crossing the border when the profits become good enough?
The criminals will use straw purchases to buy guns, they will steal them, or they will buy them along with their shipment of illegal drugs. It won't matter to them or affect them. How do you think they get guns in Chicago, the new murder capital of the country with the strongest, most draconian gun laws in the country?
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Agreed. Failed policies like the war on drugs need to be stopped at the root of the cause. The same is true for violent crime. This won't happen because the government doesn't really care what is best for the people. They just want to fulfill their agendas - no matter what the consequences.