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    NJ.....read it and weep.

    Yesterday, 24 gun bills were past in NJ and headed for the NJ Senate vote......IMO...New Jersey is Done.

    Read it and weep........this is from another individual here in NJ.



    Current NJ Gun Law Summary

    The following entry is a summary of the NJ gun laws. The summary gives a basic understanding of what guns are legal to purchase, how you may purchase these guns, where you may transport them, and various other aspects of NJ gun law. This overview is intended to brief individuals on the various aspects of gun ownership that are the most basic, and address some of the most widely asked questions. It is by no means the end all of NJ gun law. There are additional entries made that cover NJ gun law in almost its entirety, and they can be used to supplement this overview.

    THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE•If you would like legal advice hire a lawyer. This is a simple collection of information in regards to NJ law.

    •I have made every effort to present the information in a neutral manner.

    •This is a collection of information I have sourced on the web and information that has been shared here on the site between many of our very knowledgeable members.

    OWNERSHIP/REGISTRATION
    Firearm Registration•There is currently no mandatory firearm registration in effect in NJ. If you move to NJ with firearms you must be sure they are NJ legal but there is no need to register them in any way with the state.

    •Guns purchased while a NJ resident must be purchased within the guidelines of the state. All guns owned by NJ residents must be NJ legal.
    NJ Legal Firearms•In NJ you may not own an "assault firearm", an Assault firearm is defined in NJ by either of the following criteria. 1) An "assault firearm" can be any one of the guns listed by NJ. If the firearm is listed by name, it is illegal and you can NOT own it in NJ. 2) An "assault firearm" can also be any firearm that is "substantially identical" to the firearms listed by name. "Substantially identical" is defined by a group of characteristics listed below, if a firearm is "substantially identical" you may not own it.
    (notice that the following information for the most part only applies to semi-automatic firearms)
    1) The following is the list of banned firearms which are illegal to own in NJ.

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    Algimec AGM1 type
    Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"
    Armalite AR-180 type
    Australian Automatic Arms SAR
    Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms
    Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms
    Bushmaster Assault Rifle
    Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900
    CETME G3
    Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type
    Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series
    Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types
    Demro TAC-1 carbine type
    Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types
    FAMAS MAS223 types
    FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms
    Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns
    G3SA type
    Galil type
    Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1
    Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms
    M1 carbine type
    M14S type
    MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9 mm carbine type firearms
    PJK M-68 carbine type
    Plainfield Machine Company Carbine
    Ruger K-Mini-14/5 F and Mini-14/5 RF
    SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types
    SKS with detachable magazine type
    Spectre Auto carbine type
    Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type
    Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types
    Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms
    USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun
    Uzi type semi-automatic firearms
    Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms
    Weaver Arm Nighthawk;

    2) If the gun is not listed by name, you have to also be sure the gun is not "substantially identical".
    "Substantially identical" is defined in the following way.

    A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
    This means that if it is a semi-automatic pistol and has a detachable magazine it can have ONE of the following features and still be legal, but if it has two or more, then it would not be legal.

    1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
    2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
    3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;
    4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded
    5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

    Example
    1) A glock (which is a semi automatic pistol that has a detachable magazine ) with a threaded barrel. LEGAL
    2) A glock (which is a semi automatic pistol that has a detachable magazine ) with a threaded barrel AND a barrel shroud. ILLEGAL

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    A semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
    This means that if it is a semi-automatic rifle and has a detachable magazine it can have ONE of the following features and still be legal, but if it has two or more, then it would not be legal.

    1) A folding or telescoping stock;
    2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
    3) A bayonet mount;
    4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor;
    5) A grenade launcher

    Example
    1) An AR15 (which is a semi automatic rifle that has a detachable magazine ) with a pistol grip. LEGAL
    2) An AR15 (which is a semi automatic rifle that has a detachable magazine ) with a pistol grip AND a flash hider. ILLEGAL

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    A semi-automatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:
    This means that if it is a semi-automatic shotgun and has a detachable magazine it can have ONE of the following features and still be legal, but if it has two or more, then it would not be legal.

    1) A folding or telescoping stock;
    2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
    **note(having a pistol grip on a semi auto shotgun makes the gun automatically illegal even if NO other evil features are present..)**
    3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of six rounds;
    4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine;

    OR

    A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a folding stock
    or a pistol grip;

    Example
    1) A Saiga 12 (which is a semi automatic shotgun ). LEGAL
    2) A Saiga 12 (which is a semi automatic shotgun ) with a pistol grip. ILLEGAL

    Since "pistol grip" is a term NJ uses to describe a feature, it is important to know what NJ deems a pistol grip.
    Take notice that it does not say fired comfortably with one hand.. it simply says fired..

    "Pistol grip" means a well defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes
    conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the firearm to be held and fired
    with one hand.

    OTHER FIREARM LEGALITIES/QUALIFICATIONS
    It is also important to observe the minimum length a firearm can be.

    Rifle•Overall Length 26in or more

    •Barrel Length 16in or more
    Shotgun•Overall Length 26in or more

    •Barrel Length 18in or more

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    "Sawed-off shotgun" means any shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length
    measured from the breach to the muzzle, or a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches
    in length measured from the breach to the muzzle, or any firearm made from a rifle or a shotgun,
    whether by alteration, or otherwise, if such firearm as modified has an overall length of less than 26
    inches.

    The accepted way to measure a barrel is to close the action of the weapon and insert a dowel into the barrel until it cannot go any further.
    Mark the dowel remove and measure.
    It is important to use a dowel that fits snugly to obtain an accurate measurement.

    Magazine Capacity•A semi automatic firearm may not have a capacity greater than 15 rounds.

    •A semi automatic shotgun may not have a capacity greater than 6 rounds.
    You may not ever posses a magazine for a semi automatic firearm that exceeds these limits, not even while modifying them to a legal limit.
    The magazine must be modified before it reaches your hands. You may also not have a magazine that exceeds NJ legal capacity in the form of a "kit" or disassembled in pieces.

    Hollow Point Ammunition
    You may buy, possess, and shoot hollow point ammunition in NJ, but like firearms there are limitations. The accepted practice is that you may purchase the ammunition, keep it at your home, and bring it with you when you plan to use it.


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    N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:
    (2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].
    Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
    N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).
    Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:
    1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
    2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
    3.A person going directly to a target range, and;
    4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."



    PURCHASING A FIREARM
    Long Gun (rifle or shotgun)•To purchase, receive, or otherwise acquire a long gun in NJ you must first obtain a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card (FID card).
    Handgun•To purchase, receive, or otherwise acquire a handgun in NJ you must first obtain a permit to purchase a pistol.

    •NJ Law has limitations to the number of handguns you may purchase, the program is refered to "One Gun A Month" (OGAM)

    •OGAM limits the purchase of a handgun to one handgun per month. There are limited exemptions in place for individuals wishing to purchase certain firearms for certain reasons. You may apply for an exemption by using the following forms.
    OGAM exemption forms•http://nj.gov/njsp/i...arms/sp-015.pdf

    http://nj.gov/njsp/i...rms/sp-015a.pdf

    http://nj.gov/njsp/i...arms/sp-016.pdf

    http://nj.gov/njsp/i...rms/sp-016a.pdf
    Obtaining Licensing •Both permits are obtained from your local police department; if no local police department is present your local state police barracks will deal with the permit process.

    •While there is a specific application process, and there is a strong movement to standardize the process, at this time the process can vary per department.

    •Not every department processes applications every day, it is best to call ahead of time and find out the specific process for your local department.

    •Applicants will need a clean criminal and mental health background.

    •Applicants must not have a substance abuse problem.
    Forms

    The following forms will likely need to be filled out, in addition to any other paperwork that is unique to your police department.•Application for FID http://www.njsp.org/...rms/sts-033.pdf

    •Mental health form http://www.njsp.org/...arms/sp-066.pdf
    Additional information and discussion regarding the permit process can be found in the following thread.
    http://njgunforums.c...ermits-and-fid/

    After visiting your local department you can report the experience in the following thread to aid in the data collecting effort. These experiences are being used in an effort to try to standardize the process.
    http://njgunforums.c...k-requirements/

    Private Party Sale
    Firearms can be bought and sold between NJ residents in person.

    Long Gun•To complete the face to face purchase of a long gun you must complete the following form provided by the state. http://nj.gov/njsp/i...arms/sp-634.pdf

    •A valid FID card is also required by the purchaser.
    Handgun•To complete the face to handgun purchase the purchaser must have first secured a permit to purchase a pistol. The form needs to be completed and the instructions on the form are to be followed, the form is not available online and must be obtained from the local police department.
    Out Of State Purchase•You may purchase guns from outside the state of NJ providing those firearms are NJ legal.

    •The procedure for purchasing guns from other states is outlined below (along with other purchasing scenarios)

    PK90 said:


    1. Handgun purchases by
    ....A. NJ resident from
    ........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a P2P and Photo ID
    ........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested
    ........(3) Out-of-state dealer = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1)
    ........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1)
    ....B. Out-of-state resident from
    ........(1) NJ dealer = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer
    ........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer

    2. Long gun purchases by
    ....A. NJ resident from
    ........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
    ........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested
    ........(3) Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
    ........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through
    ............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or
    ............b. Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
    ....B. Non-resident from
    ........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
    ........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through
    ............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or
    ............b. Out-of-state dealer = consult buyer's home state laws

    3. Blackpowder and pellet handgun purchases by
    ....A. NJ resident from
    ........(1) NJ dealer = only a P2P and Photo ID required
    ........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested
    ........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement
    ........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement
    ....B. Out-of-state resident from
    ........(1) NJ dealer = must be shipped to an out-of-state address
    ........(2) NJ resident = transfer must take place out-of-state

    4. Blackpowder and pellet long gun purchases by
    ....A. NJ resident from
    ........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required
    ........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested
    ........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement
    ........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement
    ....B. Non-resident from
    ........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required
    ........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested or transfer must take place out-of-state


    NJ = "New Jersey"
    NICS = "National Instant Criminal Background Check System"
    P2P = "Permit to Purchase a Handgun and Form of Register"
    ID = "Identification"
    FPID = "State of NJ Firearms Purchaser IDENTIFICATION CARD"
    COE = "Certificate of Eligibility"


    More threads discussing purchasing...•http://njgunforums.c...ermits-and-fid/

    http://njgunforums.c...to-nj-resident/

    TRANSPORTATION

    Carrying A Firearm In NJ•You may ONLY carry a handgun publicly in NJ if you first obtain a license to carry a handgun from NJ.
    (the exemption of this is if you are carrying a firearm in conjunction with an exempted activity hunting, firearms competition, range, etc.)

    •NJ will not honor a license to carry a firearm from any other state, it must be from NJ.

    •NJ has a system in place to obtain a license to carry a firearm. The process revolves around establishing a "justifiable need" before the permit is issued.

    •At this time 1/1/12 it is virtually impossible for the average NJ citizen to obtain a license to carry a handgun in NJ.

    •Important to note that if you are the OWNER of a business. You may carry a firearm at your fixed place of business

    •There is also no restriction in reference to "carrying" a legally owned firearm within your home.

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    It is unlawful to knowingly have in your possession a:
    1. Handgun, including any antique handgun, without first obtaining a Permit to Carry. No distinction is drawn between carrying openly or concealed.
    2. Rifle or shotgun without first obtaining a FID card. It is Illegal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in any vehicle

    e. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a
    fixed location.

    How To Transport•Unloaded: The firearm must be unloaded, as in there must be no ammunition in the gun. NJ defines the word firearm meaning the actual gun, under current law transportation of a loaded magazine would not be considered a loaded gun

    •Cased/Wrapped: If the vehicle has a defined trunk separate from the passenger compartment, the firearms are to put in the trunk. If no trunk is present (as in a SUV) the firearm must be in a fastened case/wrapped/etc.

    •Destination: It is important to recognize that NJ dictates that your course of travel while transporting firearms should be as direct as is reasonably possible.

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    g. All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b.,
    subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried
    unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package,
    or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the
    course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under
    the circumstances.

    Where Can You Transport•If you have a FID card you can essentially transport a long gun at any time, there are no real restrictions on transportation.

    •If you do NOT have a FID OR are transporting handguns, NJ is fairly strict on when a firearm can be transported.

    •The following are instances where NJ allows for you to transport firearms.

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    1) A member of any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules
    prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, in going to or from
    a place of target practice, carrying such firearms as are necessary for said target
    practice, provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent
    and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further
    that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;

    2) A person carrying a firearm or knife in the woods or fields or upon the
    waters of this State for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided that
    the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing purposes in this State
    and he has in his possession a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water
    fishing, a valid fishing license;

    3) A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling:
    a) Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided
    the person has in his possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or
    b) Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the
    purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions, provided in all
    cases that during the course of the travel all firearms are carried in the manner
    specified in subsection g. of this section and the person has complied with all the
    provisions and requirements of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes and any amendments
    thereto and all rules and regulations promulgated thereunder; or
    c) In the case of a firearm, directly to or from any exhibition or display of
    firearms which is sponsored by any law enforcement agency, any rifle or pistol club, or
    any firearms collectors club, for the purpose of displaying the firearms to the public or
    to the members of the organization or club, provided, however, that not less than 30
    days prior to the exhibition or display, notice of the exhibition or display shall be given
    to the Superintendent of the State Police by the sponsoring organization or club, and
    the sponsor has complied with such reasonable safety regulations as the superintendent
    may promulgate. Any firearms transported pursuant to this section shall be transported
    in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;

    (4) A person from keeping or carrying about a private or commercial aircraft or
    any boat, or from transporting to or from such vessel for the purpose of installation or
    repair a visual distress signaling device approved by the United States Coast Guard.


    TRANSPORTING THROUGH NJ•Firearms at times will need to be transported from one state to another. Firearm Owners Protection Act protects individual transporting firearms through NJ to other states.

    New Jersey State Police said:


    A person who is transporting a firearm though the State of New Jersey in the manner permitted by person's possession 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, see Section II above, need not give notice.
    Procedures for Investigation of Conduct Involving the Possession or Transportation of Firearms
    A. An officer who reasonably suspects that a person is transporting a firearm in violation of New Jersey law should make reasonable inquiries in order to confirm or dispel that suspicion.
    B. In a case where circumstances reasonably indicate that the person's possession and transportation of the firearms my be permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, the officer should make reasonable inquiries in order to determine whether the person's possession is permitted by that federal law.
    C.If reasonable inquiries lead an officer to conclude that the person's possession is lawful under either New Jersey law or 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II, the officer should promptly allow the person to proceed.
    D.Whenever an officer has probable cause to believe that a person's possession of a firearm is in violation of New Jersey law and not permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II, then the officer should make an arrest.



    New Jersey State Police said:


    All firearms transported into the State of New Jersey:
    Shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel, shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.
    The firearm should not be directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.
    For additional exemptions refer to Chapter 39, namely 2C:39-6g.
    All firearms transported through the State of New Jersey:
    The following guidelines are provided in order to assist law enforcement officers in applying New Jersey's firearms laws to persons who are transporting firearms through the State of New Jersey.
    New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration and licenses do not apply to a person who is transporting the firearm through this State if that person is transporting the firearm in a manner permitted by federal law, 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.
    This federal law permitting interstate transportation of a firearm applies only if all of the following requirements are met:
    A. The person's possession of the firearm was lawful in the state in which the journey began;
    B. The person's possession of the firearm will be lawful in the state in which the journey will end;
    C. The person is transporting the firearm for lawful purpose
    D. The firearm is unloaded
    E. The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle
    F. The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle
    G. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console;
    H. The person is not
    1. a convicted felon
    2. a fugitive from justice an addict or unlawful user of drugs, or
    3. an illegal alien
    I The person has not
    1. been adjudicated to be a mental defective
    2. been committed to a mental institution
    3. been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces, or
    4. renounced his United States Citizenship

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    A glock (which is a semi automatic pistol that has a detachable magazine ) with a threaded barrel AND a barrel shroud. ILLEGAL
    What Glock model has a barrel shroud? Or do they mean the slide?

    1) An AR15 (which is a semi automatic rifle that has a detachable magazine ) with a pistol grip. LEGAL
    2) An AR15 (which is a semi automatic rifle that has a detachable magazine ) with a pistol grip AND a flash hider. ILLEGAL
    Where's the logic here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naufragia View Post
    What Glock model has a barrel shroud? Or do they mean the slide?



    Where's the logic here?
    Two of the items on the list.
    I'm in favor of gun control -- I think every citizen should have control of a gun.
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    What logic where....? It's New Jersey.
    Some here posted bills yesterday requireing a Psychological Evaluation requirement by a doctor for anyone applying for a Pistol Purchase Permit.....and others......how about the Sheriff making house calls to inspect if your guns are locked up in your home ?
    More or should I say less magazine limits...we're at 15 already, now they want 10 only....

    I'm old and just sittin' back watchin....and....waitin' for the STHTF.....IMO.

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    ...maybe you had oughta included in your disclaimer "Don't shoot the messenger"...them's discouragin' words you're bringin' us!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    ...I'm old and just sittin' back watchin....and....waitin' for the STHTF.....IMO.
    Yup.
    "The only thing I'm an expert about is my experience."

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    What a mess for the law abiding citizen to go through.
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    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."*
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    "The Constitution shall never be construed ... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."**
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    Considerin moving to NC......how's it down there ?
    Gotta be near the beach....

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    And the governor was once believed to be a rising star in the conservative movement and possible presidential contender.
    I'd rather be lucky than good any day

    There's nothing that will change someone's moral outlook quicker than cash in large sums.

    Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.

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    You mean the RINO......that how he's referred to around some parts.....nah, lawyer, ex-prosecutor, governor.....typical NJ politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    Considerin moving to NC......how's it down there ?
    Gotta be near the beach....
    Come on down. The bills going before the NC state senate this session are to increase DC rights. Sorry to say, NJ was done long ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naufragia View Post
    What Glock model has a barrel shroud? Or do they mean the slide?



    Where's the logic here?
    Wheres the logic anywhere?

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    Want to move to SC. This is another reason.
    You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, "I have lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along." . . . You must do the thing you think you cannot do. Eleanor Roosevelt

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    And the governor was once believed to be a rising star in the conservative movement and possible presidential contender.
    Operative word being, "once".
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    C'mon down. Just remember, once you get here, you're not allowed to say "but up in NJ, we...".
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