2A - Chicago already talking about Rules to enact against coming Conceal Carry in Il

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    2A - Chicago already talking about Rules to enact against coming Conceal Carry in Il

    Transit officials call for restrictions if concealed carry law is enacted
    Agencies want guns banned on buses, trains
    February 23, 2013|By Monique Garcia and Richard Wronski, Chicago Tribune reporters

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    My Comments: It is going to be real fun to watch the Chicago City Govt loose their minds as 'Law Abiding and Legal Carry' gets enacted over the next year! Anyone want to bet that muggings go down (I'm not talking about Gang and/or Minority on Minority violence.., just ramdom muggings, as well as store robberies). This could really also ruin that, so popular stick it to the man flash mob crap too.).

    ....Those scenarios were raised Friday by Chicago transit officials, who called on state legislators to prohibit anyone from carrying a weapon on buses and trains if a concealed-carry law is adopted in Illinois.

    ....Transit agencies across the state contend that allowing individuals to carry firearms on buses and trains would be dangerous, even catastrophic, because "interpersonal conflicts are commonplace" among passengers, testified Jeanne Wrenn, a Pace official.

    ....The issue boiled up at a House Judiciary Committee hearing in Chicago the same day that a divided federal appeals court rejected Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan's request for a rehearing on the case in which the state has been ordered to allow citizens to carry guns in public.

    My Comments: Read the rest and laugh at what they are worried about (which amounts to worry about what Criminals are already doing. Apparently the City Govt has allowed criminals to rule the roost for so long, that they forgot that non-criminal Law Abiding Citizens are the constant victums of what they are worried about, and, lord forbid, they could now protect themselves, lawfully!" What a twisted and backwards Progressive Hell Chicago is, along with New York City, Philly...........

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    How ironic..... Many of the states that were proposing concealed carry laws got similar arguments against the proposed law. Again how ironic none of the fears of what will happen when the law was passed came to be.
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    Same old wailing, gnashing and shrieking by the antis that has never come to pass and will never happen.
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    Politicians will cut the citizens' rights down until they are barley fulfilling the requirement.
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    It will be interesting to see how the reciprocity plays out...maybe I'll be able to start driving thru the state instead of driving around it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    It will be interesting to see how the reciprocity plays out...maybe I'll be able to start driving thru the state instead of driving around it.
    Think of all the tax revenue they are losing just for this very reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    It will be interesting to see how the reciprocity plays out...maybe I'll be able to start driving thru the state instead of driving around it.
    I am guessing their permit requirements will be so stringent that they will have reciprocity with very few states. I wouldn't be so surprised if they go the CA and NY route and only allow their state residents to carry and don't have any reciprocity agreements.
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    I knew that would happen. Sure Illinois will comply at the lowest possible level. Make it a huge pain to actually get the CCW and then put tons of restrictions on it.
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    The court said they couldn't ban concealed carry, it didn't say what system they have to use. Remember, technically, New Jersey and California "allow" concealed carry, but the laws effectively ban it for the majority of their citizens. I think the best case scenario for Illinois is they end up like California, where in the less populated and rural counties, getting a CCW can be done, but in the big cities (Chicago of course), it will be nearly impossible.

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    From what I've read over the last few months, since Illinois' CC ban was struck down, it sounds like liberals really don't have much leverage in the CC debate.
    1. Outright ban of CC has been struck down.
    2. Initial appeal has been denied.
    3. New CC law has to be passed in 6 months from when the ban was struck down. So, May or June or somewhere around then. A bill has already been introduced that looks very reasonable. Why should any concessions be made when it's the liberals' backs against the wall? Assuming the current bill were to pass, it would allow/require "shall issue", State preemption, 4 hours of training, reciprocity for any state that recognizes IL's CC license, etc.

    Granted, I'm not a lawyer so I'm not fully aware of any legal ways liberals could get an upper hand but it seems like they need to pass something before that deadline and conservatives have no reason to concede anything. Anybody have info to contradict that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cokeman View Post
    Politicians will cut the citizens' rights down until they are barley fulfilling the requirement.

    As opposed to oats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJC7 View Post
    From what I've read over the last few months, since Illinois' CC ban was struck down, it sounds like liberals really don't have much leverage in the CC debate.
    1. Outright ban of CC has been struck down.
    2. Initial appeal has been denied.
    3. New CC law has to be passed in 6 months from when the ban was struck down. So, May or June or somewhere around then. A bill has already been introduced that looks very reasonable. Why should any concessions be made when it's the liberals' backs against the wall? Assuming the current bill were to pass, it would allow/require "shall issue", State preemption, 4 hours of training, reciprocity for any state that recognizes IL's CC license, etc.

    Granted, I'm not a lawyer so I'm not fully aware of any legal ways liberals could get an upper hand but it seems like they need to pass something before that deadline and conservatives have no reason to concede anything. Anybody have info to contradict that?
    The way I see it, the antis in Chicago see the writing on the wall and because they have now been forced by a court to adopt CC, they can no longer ignore it. I am still thinking they won't go away without kicking and screaming working behind close doors to make it as restrictive as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torgo1968 View Post
    The court said they couldn't ban concealed carry, it didn't say what system they have to use. Remember, technically, New Jersey and California "allow" concealed carry, but the laws effectively ban it for the majority of their citizens.
    One would think equal protection under the law would nullify all such permitting schemes such as these. But, alas, no.

    I'm hopeful the legal eagles are watching this one so closely that it has a fair chance of coming out half-way decent. And, if not, then it'll certainly be jumped on six ways from Sunday by those demanding rational, appropriate, Constitutional infringement be implemented.

    We'll see.



    You know, one would think that in the entire state there's at least one legislator who can rationally look at every other state's "proper" carry implementations and realize that NONE of the Chicken Little fears have come to pass anywhere else where it's been implemented. After all, nothing can be so bad as it is now, with criminals having the run of the place. (And by that I mean: actual felonious, weapon-toting criminals roaming the streets, not the politicos.) It's about time the citizens cease being criminalized for daring to have a fighting chance.
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    Firearms carry is already banned in Illinois, how has that worked out, so far, for the Chicago Transit Authority?

    I'm sure the criminals will stop carrying firearms on public transportation as soon as this legislation is passed.

    Just think how much safer the El will be!
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Same old wailing, gnashing and shrieking by the antis (ELITISTS) that has never come to pass and will never happen.
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