Obama's gun strategy falling short in Senate

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    Obama's gun strategy falling short in Senate - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com

    Obama's gun strategy falling short in Senate

    By REID J. EPSTEIN | 2/25/13 6:24 PM EST

    President Barack Obama’s legislative strategy for gun control may be the reason he gets no deal at all.

    Obama’s team has been working a delicate inside game to reach out to otherwise combative Senate Republicans: The White House conveys messages to Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who develops strategy with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), the gun-friendly moderate who is tasked with whipping GOP support.

    But as things often go in Washington, the last step is the hardest — and is beginning to seem impossible.

    The group has reached a breaking point over how to address records of private sales receipts, even after Schumer and Manchin, along with Sens. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), reached an agreement on the broad framework for universal background checks for gun purchases – itself a fraction of the expansive package of new laws Obama called for after the Newtown massacre.

    The four didn’t meet last week while the Senate was out but are expected to speak Monday night.

    Coburn, the group’s ambassador to gun rights groups like the National Rifle Association, won’t accept a record-keeping requirement on the grounds that it could lead to government overreach. Schumer and Manchin, who are in regular contact with gun control groups, say any bill without a records provision would be as toothless as an honor system.

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    "any bill without a records provision would be as toothless as an honor system"

    So they are admitting they are gunning for a universal registration.
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    I hope they fail! Then the States will be left swinging in the wind with a patchwork of unconstitutional overreaches that will cause massive lawsuits based on 2A, 4A and 5A issues, that will totally gum the courts up and open the Barn Door for counter-attacks to push existing State Laws (before Jan 1, 2013) back.
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    I am just mortified that no gun bill will be passed.
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    Have you called?

    As most of us know, there is a large coalition of grassroots gun-rights organizations which have banded together to fight for our gun rights at the federal level - the National Coalition to Stop the Gun Ban.

    The coalition is calling on all of our members to create a COORDINATED FIRESTORM of telephone calls to key legislators TODAY (Monday, February 25) and TOMORROW. Yes, I know. I had trouble getting through, myself.

    We need this desperately to counter a coordinated effort last week by well-funded anti-liberty groups trying to drown out our grassroots voice. MoveOn.org has joining the fray by running TV ads that proclaim, “The NRA doesn’t speak for me.” In case you didn’t know it, these are the same folks who brought you “ACORN”: MoveOn.org is funded by the anti-lilberty “Tides Foundation” which is itself funded by none other than freedom-hating billionaire George Soros.

    Your voice is needed now more than ever.

    I know that I have seen this list on a number of sites, but a search here failed to find it.

    So, please call:

    * Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell at 202-224-2541
    * House Speaker John Boehner at 202-225-0600
    * House Majority Leader Cantor, Eric, 202-225-2815
    * Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee Bob Goodlatte (That committee is extremely important for protecting our right to keep and bear arms)
    * both your Senators.

    and give the staff 3 simple talking points:

    1) Nothing about the federal proposals is acceptable – not banning semi-automatic firearms and magazines, not expanding the list of people prohibited from owning guns, and not registering private gun sales via the National Instant Check System;

    2) Because “compromise” means losing freedom, you will not “compromise” on this issue; and

    3) As a member of one of the organizations comprising the National Coalition to Stop the Gun Ban, you will support coordinated Coalition action against any legislator who supports gun control.
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    Thanks for posting. I got the VCDL alert and already called.

    A couple of them would not answer & their voice mail was full. A couple of staffers answered for others & seemed a little harried (like they had had a lot of calls). One was busy & I could not get through (or they took the phones of the hook).

    I will try again tomorrow to reach the ones I could not get today.
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    So they are admitting they are gunning for a universal registration
    Thats all they ever wanted from the start. They'll get it eventually..if not soon then later.

    Schumer and Manchin, who are in regular contact with gun control groups, say any bill without a records provision would be as toothless as an honor system.
    Spoken like men with no honor. They dont know honor, have never known honor and wouldnt know honor if it kicked them in the ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Thats all they ever wanted from the start. They'll get it eventually..if not soon then later.
    Don't quit the fight.
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    On January 30, 2013, Sen. Chuck Schumer promised that "universal" background checks wouldn't create a gun registry. Yet just 13 days later, as Schumer was discussing gun control proposals, he stated, "the one which I've been pushing, which is universal registration." It couldn't be any clearer - when a politician says "universal background checks," what they actually mean is "universal registration."

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    Why you should call and call and call....

    Lake of the Woods » Blog Archive » Club urged to push gun safety issue

    Club urged to push gun safety issue

    Lori Haas, a representative of the Coalition to Prevent Gun Violence, urged a crowd of about 80 people at the Lake of the Woods Clubhouse Feb. 24, to dial up pressure on their elected representatives to address gun violence in our country with significant reforms that include universal background checks, an assault weapons ban, limits on the size of magazines and strong penalties for gun trafficking.

    “We have immense momentum on this issue, immense momentum,” Ms. Haas said. “Do we need more? Absolutely!”

    She urged citizens to call the offices of their state and national representatives, but not just once.

    “Make the call over and over and over again,” she said. “If they hear from you 30 times, that’s OK.”

    “Call every single day or two times a day or five or 10, as many times as you can. It will have an impact. I promise it matters. I promise it will help.”

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    If Obama and his cohorts lose this push then that would be the time for NRA and all the other pro gun groups not to breathe a sigh of relief but launch a hard press on pro a politicians to start pushing the regs we already have back and repealing them one by one. Go on the offence for a change until waiting for an attack and then defending. JMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost1958 View Post
    If Obama and his cohorts lose this push then that would be the time for NRA and all the other pro gun groups not to breathe a sigh of relief but launch a hard press on pro a politicians to start pushing the regs we already have back and repealing them one by one. Go on the offence for a change until waiting for an attack and then defending. JMO
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    Re: Obama's gun strategy falling short in Senate

    Everyone needs to keep in mind that "they" have 4 years to get this done (very possibly more). This is a marathon, not a sprint. THEY are best at marathons. They work slowly but surely and should not be underestimated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDG View Post
    This is a marathon, not a sprint.
    Good point.

    However, (using the race allegory) I'd say it is more like a never-ending-relay. We need to run our leg of the race (our life-time) well and be sure that there is a young runner ready, able, and motivated to take up the baton and continue.
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