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    A few of my 2A thoughts

    Sorry, these are a little too long for bumper stickers, our rights demand no less.

    Unlike the vast majority of products for sale, guns and ammunition are supposed to be dangerous. If they are used to shoot someone, they have worked properly, as designed. Only if they blow up or fail to fire through a manufacturing defect are they possibly subject to regulation by the Consumer Products Safety Commission. A properly functioning firearm cannot be made completely safe.

    If the loosening of gun control ever does lead to wild west shootouts, that only means that the intended victims of violent crime are fighting back against the criminals. I don't see the problem with this. I think that's how it's intended to work.

    The First and Second Amendments to the US Constitution are equal partners in the Bill of Rights. They are the chief guardians. The First is the alarm, the Second is the response. To relinquish either is to invite catastrophe. Those who would remove the Second Amendment are willing to wage all our lives and freedoms based on a theory that, in these modern times, our government would not turn to tyranny. In the face of over two centuries of success, with only minor losses, it's not a gamble I'm willing to take.

    And now a few less often seen quotes:

    "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed"
    Exodus 22:2
    -God, author of the original "Castle Doctrine"

    Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?"
    "Nothing," they answered.
    He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one...."
    The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
    "That is enough," he replied.
    Luke 22:35, 36, 38
    -Jesus Christ, proponent of bearing arms for self defense, telling the disciples that even He could not protect them from Earthly evils

    "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -- -George Orwell, the author of Animal Farm and 1984

    "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." -- The Dalai Lama, (May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times) speaking at the "Educating Heart Summit" in Portland, Oregon, when asked by a girl how to react when a shooter takes aim at a classmate

    "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- Patrick Henry

    A few quotes from my email signature line, with apologies if I have taken anyone's favorite blurb:

    1. The best civil right? Freedom of the Gun! Without guns, we'd all be British.
    2. Why do we balk at letting adults have concealed weapons when it's OK to license teenagers for 4000 pound weapons at 60 MPH?
    3. Guns kill people? I haven't seem mine do that. Do you think I should return them for new ones?
    4. Why do I carry a gun? Because cops are too big! I can't afford bodyguards. I do not expect anyone to protect me. I am responsibile for my safety.
    5. We've had the right to self defense since we lived in caves. Now some hoplophobes want to change that.
    6. I plan to survive the Lottery of Violence.
    7. School safety? Arm teachers!
    8. Now that I'm legally armed, who do I see to be legally churched, and buy a legal book?

    Lastly, the Parable of the Sheep. I haven't seen this one lately. Deserves a good re-read:

    By Charles Riggs

    Not so long ago and in a pasture too uncomfortably close to here, a flock of sheep lived and grazed. They were protected by a dog, who answered to the master, but despite his best efforts from time to time a nearby pack of wolves would prey upon the flock.

    One day a group of sheep, more bold than the rest, met to discuss their dilemma. "Our dog is good, and vigilant, but he is one dog and the wolves are many. The wolves he catches are not always killed, and the master judges and releases many to prey again upon us, for no reason we can understand. What can we do? We are sheep, but we do not wish to be food, too!"

    One sheep spoke up, saying "It is his teeth and claws that make the wolf so terrible to us. It is his nature to prey, and he would find any way to do it, but it is the tools he wields that make it possible. If we had such teeth, we could fight back, and stop this savagery." The other sheep clamored in agreement, and they went together to the old bones of the dead wolves heaped in the corner of the pasture, and gathered fang and claw and made them into weapons.

    That night, when the wolves came, the newly armed sheep sprang up with their weapons and struck at them and cried "Begone! We are not food!" and drove off the wolves, who were astonished. When did sheep become so bold and so dangerous to wolves? When did sheep grow teeth? It was unthinkable!

    The next day, flush with victory and waving their weapons, they approached the flock to pronounce their discovery. But as they drew nigh, the flock huddled together and cried out "Baaaaaaaadddd! Baaaaaddd things! You have bad things! We are afraid! You are not sheep!"

    The brave sheep stopped, amazed. "But we are your brethren!" they cried, "We are still sheep, but we do not wish to be food. See, our new teeth and claws protect us and have saved us from slaughter. They do not make us into wolves, they make us equal to the wolves, and safe from their viciousness!"

    "Baaaaaaaddd!", cried the flock,"the things are bad and will pervert you, and we fear them. You cannot bring them into the flock. They scare us!". So the armed sheep resolved to conceal their weapons, for although they had no desire to panic the flock, they wished to remain in the fold. But they would not return to those nights of terror, waiting for the wolves to come.

    In time, the wolves attacked less often and sought easier prey, for they had no stomach for fighting sheep who possessed tooth and claw even as they did. Not knowing which sheep had fangs and which did not, they came to leave sheep out of their diet almost completely except for the occasional raid, from which more than one wolf did not return. Then came the day when, as the flock grazed beside the stream, one sheep's weapon slipped from the folds of her fleece, and the flock cried out in terror again, "Baaaaaaddddd! You still possess these evil things! We must ban you from our presence!".

    And so they did. The great chief sheep and his court and council, encouraged by the words of their moneylenders and advisors, placed signs and totems at the edges of the pasture forbidding the presence of hidden weapons there. The armed sheep protested before the council, saying "It is our pasture, too, and we have never harmed you! When can you say we have caused you hurt? It is the wolves, not we, who prey upon you. We are still sheep, but we are not food!". But the flock would not hear, and drowned them out with cries of "Baaaaaaddd! We will not hear your clever words! You and your things are evil and will harm us!".

    Saddened by this rejection, the armed sheep moved off and spent their days on the edges of the flock, trying from time to time to speak with their brethren to convince them of the wisdom of having such teeth, but meeting with little success. They found it hard to talk to those who, upon hearing their words, would roll back their eyes and flee, crying "Baaaaddd! Bad things!".

    That night, the wolves happened upon the sheep's totems and signs, and said, "Truly, these sheep are fools! They have told us they have no teeth! Brothers, let us feed!". And they set upon the flock, and horrible was the carnage in the midst of the fold. The dog fought like a demon, and often seemed to be in two places at once, but even he could not halt the slaughter. It was only when the other sheep arrived with their weapons that the wolves fled, vowing to each other to remain on the edge of the pasture and wait for the next time they could prey, for if the sheep were so foolish once, they would be so again. This they did, and do still.

    In the morning, the armed sheep spoke to the flock, and said, "See? If the wolves know you have no teeth, they will fall upon you. Why be prey? To be a sheep does not mean to be food for wolves!". But the flock cried out, more feebly for their voices were fewer, though with no less terror, "Baaaaaaaadddd! These things are bad! If they were banished, the wolves would not harm us! Baaaaaaaddd!". The other sheep could only hang their heads and sigh. The flock had forgotten that even they possessed teeth; how else could they graze the grasses of the pasture? It was only those who preyed, like the wolves and jackals, who turned their teeth to evil ends. If you pulled their own fangs those beasts would take another's teeth and claws, perhaps even the broad flat teeth of sheep, and turn them to evil purposes.

    The bold sheep knew that the fangs and claws they possessed had not changed them. They still grazed like other sheep, and raised their lambs in the spring, and greeted their friend the dog as he walked among them. But they could not quell the terror of the flock, which rose in them like some ancient dark smoky spirit and could not be damped by reason, nor dispelled by the light of day.

    So they resolved to retain their weapons, but to conceal them from the flock; to endure their fear and loathing, and even to protect their brethren if the need arose, until the day the flock learned to understand that as long as there were wolves in the night, sheep would need teeth to repel them.

    They would still be sheep, but they would not be food!

    1997 Charles Riggs
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    I laugh when the anti gunners talk about the wild west. In real lifef their was less crime in t he old west then their is is lots of major cities today. Guess the antis believe what they see on TV lol
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    Paramedic...Good Points...

    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    ...And now a few less often seen quotes:

    "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed"
    Exodus 22:2
    -God, author of the original "Castle Doctrine"

    Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?"
    "Nothing," they answered.
    He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one...."
    The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
    "That is enough," he replied.
    Luke 22:35, 36, 38
    -Jesus Christ, proponent of bearing arms for self defense, telling the disciples that even He could not protect them from Earthly evils

    "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -- -George Orwell, the author of Animal Farm and 1984

    "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." -- The Dalai Lama, (May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times) speaking at the "Educating Heart Summit" in Portland, Oregon, when asked by a girl how to react when a shooter takes aim at a classmate

    "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- Patrick Henry

    A few quotes from my email signature line, with apologies if I have taken anyone's favorite blurb:

    1. The best civil right? Freedom of the Gun! Without guns, we'd all be British.
    2. Why do we balk at letting adults have concealed weapons when it's OK to license teenagers for 4000 pound weapons at 60 MPH?
    3. Guns kill people? I haven't seem mine do that. Do you think I should return them for new ones?
    4. Why do I carry a gun? Because cops are too big! I can't afford bodyguards. I do not expect anyone to protect me. I am responsibile for my safety.
    5. We've had the right to self defense since we lived in caves. Now some hoplophobes want to change that.
    6. I plan to survive the Lottery of Violence.
    7. School safety? Arm teachers!
    8. Now that I'm legally armed, who do I see to be legally churched, and buy a legal book? ...

    1997 Charles Riggs
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    Thanks for sharing...I have forwarded some of these to friends...

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    All excellant thoughts. I especially like the sheep parable. I hadn't heard it before. With your permission, I might pass it on to some people I know.

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    man, any longer i would have had to get some popcorn... :P

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    Thumbs up

    That post was so long that it made me feel like I'm not long winded at all. Thanks for relieving me of that guilt.

    Great post though, well worth the read, and the paper I printed it on for future reference.
    Last edited by sgtD; November 4th, 2006 at 05:19 PM.
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    I must unfortunately play devils advocate on one account. Exodus 22:2 promotes the castle doctrine... but only at night. If you read onto Exodus 22:3

    " but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed."
    - I would interpret that to mean that morally you should not use lethal force in protection of property alone (especially during the day).

    The difference in a modern day situation is that you cant count on robberies, muggings, and home invasions being just about taking things. They may want to take your life too. And I would say the Bible fully supports the right to self-defense (contrary to what some pacifists will tell you). Turn the other cheek has nothing to do with rolling over and letting someone kill you. It is about swallowing your pride and taking insults without returning them.

    Now here is one that I like. Luke 11:21-22.

    21"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. 22But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up the spoils.

    Moral of this story? Make sure you are the stronger man - make sure your guns are bigger and you have more of them. See, God is against 1 handgun a month laws!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob The Great View Post
    With your permission, I might pass it on to some people I know.
    Certainly

    Quote Originally Posted by vt357 View Post
    I must unfortunately play devils advocate on one account. Exodus 22:2 promotes the castle doctrine... but only at night. If you read onto Exodus 22:3

    " but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed."
    - I would interpret that to mean that morally you should not use lethal force in protection of property alone (especially during the day).

    The difference in a modern day situation is that you cant count on robberies, muggings, and home invasions being just about taking things. They may want to take your life too. And I would say the Bible fully supports the right to self-defense (contrary to what some pacifists will tell you). Turn the other cheek has nothing to do with rolling over and letting someone kill you. It is about swallowing your pride and taking insults without returning them.

    Now here is one that I like. Luke 11:21-22.

    21"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. 22But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up the spoils.

    Moral of this story? Make sure you are the stronger man - make sure your guns are bigger and you have more of them. See, God is against 1 handgun a month laws!
    Interesting interpretation. I always thought it meant whether or not you could ID the thief.

    Glad you posted the last scripture, I forgot to use that one.
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