Sandy Hook Commission - Interim Report

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    Here's the link. Looking at the list of commission members, they appear to be well-educated people. I read it through once quickly and am taken aback by both the paucity of data and the one-sided approach to the issue of school violence. I can't find where it actually solves anything.

    http://www.governor.ct.gov/malloy/li...2013.03.18.pdf
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    I've seen many "educated" stupid people who could do many great things, but fail at lunch or relate to how evil works in the world.
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    Much the same reporting of the devil being in the tool and not the operator and the need to protect us from ourselves. But this is being done in more than just guns and the control of such.

    All the crap we see coming from Washington is about control of the people and the Government taking over, nothing more. You are to be told when, where, how and why to act.
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    Well educated certainly doesn't mean unbiased, nor does an advanced degree confer common sense. I've worked with many Ph.D.'s over the past 20 years. About half of those people are brilliant (especially the MD/Ph.D.'s), but the other half tend to be wrapped-up in theory and dogma and are often far from pragmatic. Advanced degrees are supposed to provide more in-depth training, and get you to open your mind due to new, creative research. When you "get it" you become better because you always are focused on learning and improving. But, when you don't you focus on ways to prove that you are always right. It's actually somewhat bizarre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cn262 View Post
    Well educated certainly doesn't mean unbiased, nor does an advanced degree confer common sense. I've worked with many Ph.D.'s over the past 20 years. About half of those people are brilliant (especially the MD/Ph.D.'s), but the other half tend to be wrapped-up in theory and dogma and are often far from pragmatic. Advanced degrees are supposed to provide more in-depth training, and get you to open your mind due to new, creative research. When you "get it" you become better because you always are focused on learning and improving. But, when you don't you focus on ways to prove that you are always right. It's actually somewhat bizarre.
    Some of the most useless people that have ever worked for me were Ph.D.'s. Long on discussion and debate, but incapable of delivering a result.

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    When the first page mentions "gun violence" you can pretty much assume what the rest of the paper will be about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill MO View Post
    Much the same reporting of the devil being in the tool and not the operator and the need to protect us from ourselves. But this is being done in more than just guns and the control of such.

    All the crap we see coming from Washington is about control of the people and the Government taking over, nothing more. You are to be told when, where, how and why to act.
    Yup. This is nothing more than a state sponsored propaganda piece. This is a perfect example of a "report" being written to serve the forgone conclusion. It has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with supporting a political agenda.
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    I've yet to see a correlation between education and intelligence.
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    Scary...just plain scary.

    But if we are to truly honor their memory, we know that our grief must be turned into thoughtful change as we
    evaluate our laws and policies.
    OK..so we have this "unbiased" report that begins poetically? All righty then. "Thoughtful changes"? Even the intro begins to advance the socialist progressive agenda!

    The state and national debate is underway as officials seek to evolve and determine what actions,laws
    So umm, they don't include themselves as decision makers but place the responsibility on the state and national entities? Hmmm

    Our response to these issues will speak to the lessons our society has learned
    I didn't realize they spoke for me?

    Danial Malloy. Read his bio; it becomes clear.
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    and what changes can be made to prevent such an event from occurring again.
    Seriously? This can be prevented? I thought all these advanced degrees were smart?

    exhaustive list of items for consideration that had been raised by presenters and other interested parties.
    ..and exactly "who" are these other "interested parties"?

    As the Commission continues its deliberations, it will seek to involve stakeholders and advocacy groups
    We've heard this before. (2) words...Joe Biden! Not everyone gets invited to dinner.

    Those recommendations will be a result of examining relevant policy discussions, utilizing reputable research,
    Interesting to note, not (One) person on the advisory board is from a pro 2A group (NRA attorneys, instructors etc... who can provide "reputable research".

    his written report is crucial to recognizing and responding to the fundamental question of how we prevent this from happening again in Connecticut or anywhere around the country.
    Again; in just the intro of this paper we see strong biases emerging. (Prevention?) "Anywhere around the country?" They are going to dictate methodology to
    other states?

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    You will have to read this dangerous section for yourselves.

    I read the entire report.
    It is riddled with more of the same socialist progressive agendas that continues to rear it's ugly head.

    While the ivory tower of academia can be beneficial; it usually is not for people who were indoctrinated 20+ years ago. All it does is allow them to look down upon the unwashed masses with contempt as they consider their cradle to grave agenda.

    This report is the biggest crock of illogical, unreasonable & biased thinking I've seen in a while; all the while standing on the graves of those killed and claiming (They) can stop the evil.
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    I couldn't get past page 7...

    On page 4 the following statement is made (highlighting my own):
    On January 3, 2013 Governor Dannel P. Malloy established the Sandy Hook Advisory Commission (henceforth referred to as the Commission) to review current policy and make specific recommendations in the areas of public safety and mental health policy, with a focus on children and schools.
    By page 6 they have abandoned the focus, and turned their eye to the guns, and to the gun owners. And pages 6 and 7 outline the very demise of the second amendment, at least in Connecticut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dling View Post
    Some of the most useless people that have ever worked for me were Ph.D.'s. Long on discussion and debate, but incapable of delivering a result.
    No argument here - that's the bad 50%. They focus on what they know (or think they know), and try to make all problems fit into that slot of knowledge and bias. You can usually figure out which is which is which within the first 30 minutes of speaking with them. So, some unscrupulous person or group that wanted to affect a certain outcome could easily select the "right" experts that have the credentials to impress and the biases to achieve their goals.

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    I read it and I want to puke.

    2 politicians, 5 psych people, 1 attorney, 1 community organizer, 3 educators, 1 security professional, 3 emergency service people.

    Where’s the common, everyday citizen? Where’s the Constitutional authority? Where’s the industry representative?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    I've yet to see a correlation between education and intelligence.
    Great Mark Twain quote: "I never let my schooling interfere with my education."
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    I read it and I want to puke.

    2 politicians, 5 psych people, 1 attorney, 1 community organizer, 3 educators, 1 security professional, 3 emergency service people.

    Where’s the common, everyday citizen? Where’s the Constitutional authority? Where’s the industry representative?


    Just curious, what makes these people not "everyday citizens" ?? I'm running into many, many "everyday citizens", you know like A/C technicians, construction workers, salesmen, etc., who believe there should be some sort of firearms monitoring. Their not against bans, self defense, or property defense but for better regulation.

    Did you really believe someone in New York would put a member of the NRA on this panel ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by USM1976 View Post
    Just curious, what makes these people not "everyday citizens" ?? I'm running into many, many "everyday citizens", you know like A/C technicians, construction workers, salesmen, etc., who believe there should be some sort of firearms monitoring. Their not against bans, self defense, or property defense but for better regulation.

    Did you really believe someone in New York would put a member of the NRA on this panel ??
    Or in Connecticut? I think gasmitty is under the assumption, as am I, that in matters of public policy, the public should not be a panel of of individuals with vested interests in a particular outcome.
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