Big Setback in Maryland

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    Appeals court upholds key provision of Maryland?s gun-control law - The Washington Post

    A federal appeals court on Thursday upheld a key provision of Maryland’s gun-control laws, maintaining the state’s tough restrictions on carrying handguns in public places.

    Gov. Martin O’Malley, Attorney General Douglas F. Gansler and grass-roots groups supporting stricter gun control hailed the decision, saying that it places Maryland on firm legal ground as the Legislature looks to tighten gun laws further. The state is looking to ban assault weapons and require gun buyers to submit to fingerprinting.
    After the initial ruling we had such high hopes, but it looks like Marylanders are screwed for now, and given the anti-gun laws being pushed through the legislature it could get even worst.
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    It's saddening to me to see these things going on. None of us, or those we hold any sway with, should every forget those things being done against us now. In the upcoming election each of us should make it a personal mission to work to elect Pro-2nd Amendment candidates to office. What's more important is that we be every vigilant to keep them there and not allow this to happen again for our childrens sakes.
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    OP, I am so sorry for your loss. Losing the 2A is almost like losing a beloved family member.
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    Gurra knew this case would go to SCOTUS either way and he expects to win it there. Pray that none of the conservative justices die or quit before the case is settled.
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    Some states just won't stop until they effectively turn every law abiding gun owner into a criminal by forcing um to make a decision to go against their self righteous decisions. This stuff is what happens when we put folks in a office of power and give them a life of security and dominion over us. They lose all sense of what real life in the general population deals with on a everyday basis. We should petition/ mandate that every state and federal official be forced to adhere to the same restrictions as the rest of us. Yeah, like that's gonna happen right.
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    Well that's garbage legislation.. I agree with GhostMaker, we need to keep the momentum up.
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    In a 33-page opinion, Judge Robert B. King wrote that the state has “clearly demonstrated” that such a requirement “advances the objectives of protecting public safety and preventing crime because it reduces the number of handguns carried in public.”
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    The appeals court found that U.S. District Judge Benson Everett Legg used an unrealistic standard in judging Maryland’s permitting system: The lower court was wrong to overturn the law because it did not “single-handedly safeguard the public from every handgun-related hazard,” the court said
    Double Wow!

    Nothing about Constitutional rights.

    This is where liberal gun owners really fail us, by voting for politicians who put these judges on the bench.

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    I hope I don't offend anyone but these officials didn't get where they are to do the things they are doing just by showing up and walking into an office and sitting down at the desk.

    The people have put them there. If you aren't active in the process you pretty much have to eat your crap sandwich with a smile and a coke.

    Being from WV I know all too well about lifetime politicians and how they know so much better than anyone else. 50 years of single party power has done absolute wonders for the state, just check any of the state rankings.......

    It starts at the local level, get involved and be involved. You don't have to campaign or donate but you do need to make sure like minded folks are getting out to vote and make sure you know and understand candidate views and opinions.

    Everyone wants to scream "term limits"....well, every election cycle is their potential term limit. Yes, it would be grand if they were mandatory but that "just ain't happenin Capt'n"


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    I think I need to go to law school...The courts are going to be inundated with appeals for a long, long time.
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    Concealed carry setback reveals dangers of plowing new legal ground


    A legal setback for the rights of armed citizens issued Thursday by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals reveals the tough legal ground that Second Amendment defenders are plowing, because they are bound to hit rocks, if not boulders, somewhere in the field.

    Concealed carry setback reveals dangers of plowing new legal ground - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com

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    This is disappointing, the requirements for getting a permit in MD are so tight and complicated that it is basically impossible. Between this and the new AWB & UBC law they're in the process of passing it is sad to see my home state take more steps to destroy itself. I was able to acquire a copy of the new gun control bill from a source in a major media outlet in MD, it is 96 pages, single spaced, with very small print. One section I found amusing is the list of specifically banned weapons, some of them are so old or obscure that I had to look them up to even find out what they were. It shows how politicians often push bills that they really don't have any understanding of what they are actually about.

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    A federal appeals court on Thursday upheld a key provision of Maryland’s gun-control laws, maintaining the state’s tough restrictions on carrying handguns in public places.
    Sounds like a claim that while citizens have every right to protect their lives at home, their lives have nowhere near the same value the moment they exit their homes. Someone's gonna have to explain that logic to me sometime. I don't think I'll ever understand it. And I cannot imagine there's any legal justification for claiming it, beyond the desire to "balance" public fears against the value of life.

    That's about as ludicrous a concept as California's purpose/justification response on the CHL application, in which "to protect my very life and the lives of my loved ones" is not acceptable as a justification for why a CHL is important for the person's safety and security.

    "Screwed" is a good word for it, if hirelings refuse to see the distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Sounds like a claim that while citizens have every right to protect their lives at home, their lives have nowhere near the same value the moment they exit their homes. Someone's gonna have to explain that logic to me sometime. I don't think I'll ever understand it. And I cannot imagine there's any legal justification for claiming it, beyond the desire to "balance" public fears against the value of life.

    That's about as ludicrous a concept as California's purpose/justification response on the CHL application, in which "to protect my very life and the lives of my loved ones" is not acceptable as a justification for why a CHL is important for the person's safety and security.

    "Screwed" is a good word for it, if hirelings refuse to see the distinction.

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    CA does permits on a county by county basis, MD does it through the State Police. Counties in CA vary from no issue (San Fran, Alameda etc.) to almost shall issue (Kern, Fresno) and things in between (Orange, LA). Sadly, in most cases the people who can get permits in MD are the same ones who are making the laws in Annapolis. If MD went to a county issue basis you would likely see about 20 of the 23 counties being shall issue, Baltimore city, Montgomery and PG would be no issue, Baltimore county would probably be may issue and the rest would be very permissive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJB_17 View Post
    CA does permits on a county by county basis ...
    Understood, including that in some counties the pro-2A sheriffs essentially make it a shall-issue state of affairs.

    But the fact remains that CA statute requires a justification/purpose statement by the applicant, and in counties where that statement is scrutinized it's is typical that "to protect the lives of my loved ones" does not constitute sufficient reason to be issued a CHL. That was the point.
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