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    FBI plans to spend $100 million on ammo
    Quarter-billion new rounds also slated for DHS
    Published: 27 March, author-image by Steve Peacock

    Alarms over the situation have developed just as the Obama administration is pushing hard on its agenda of gun control.

    But the full impact may not yet have developed, as WND has uncovered plans by the FBI to spend up to $100 million over five years on millions of rounds for its machine guns and pistols.

    According to a solicitation revised and released March 25 that WND discovered during routine database research, the FBI is gathering this ammo “to be carried and fired [by FBI Special Agents] in defense of life” as well as for training purposes.

    The ammunition includes a combination of field-ready Glock 9mm rounds as well as reduced-lead training ammo. Weapons specifically listed in the Statement of Work, or SOW, are Glock Model 17, Glock Model 19, Glock Model 26, SIG Sauer P226, SIG Sauer P228, Heckler and Koch MP5 9mm submachine gun (K, A2, A3, SF and SD versions).


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    So let's see...

    $100M over 5 years is $20M per year. According to the FBI web site, there are about 14,000 Special Agents. Conservatively assuming that SAs are the only ones training with firearms, that means the yearly ammo budget for training and duty is about $1430 per agent. Seems pretty reasonable to me... I'm not a professional shooter, just an amateur, and I spend more than that on ammo each year. I'm not getting my panties in a wad over this one.

    DHS is an entirely different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    So let's see...

    $100M over 5 years is $20M per year. According to the FBI web site, there are about 14,000 Special Agents. Conservatively assuming that SAs are the only ones training with firearms, that means the yearly ammo budget for training and duty is about $1430 per agent. Seems pretty reasonable to me... I'm not a professional shooter, just an amateur, and I spend more than that on ammo each year. I'm not getting my panties in a wad over this one.

    DHS is an entirely different story.
    Agreed.

    Also the FBI tends to use their weapons more often in live scenarios. Now if the budget had been a billion, basically 10 times as much, I would have a problem with a government agency trying to spend $14K on ammo alone per possible agent, many of which don't need to train as much since they aren't field agents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humblenutto View Post
    Agreed.

    Also the FBI tends to use their weapons more often in live scenarios. Now if the budget had been a billion, basically 10 times as much, I would have a problem with a government agency trying to spend $14K on ammo alone per possible agent, many of which don't need to train as much since they aren't field agents.
    No issue as FBI stand alone. But this is in addition to DHS, & other agencies.

    Just something to think about.
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    IRT DHS and other agencies with questionable quantities purchased, don't forget that the modus operandi for any government organization is to spend as much money as possible (so as to increase their budget).

    The South Carolina arm of the EPA is referred to as DHEC. They serve to enforce environmental law. I can tell you from first-hand experience that they have their own freakin swat teams and vehicles!!!

    'Long story short, I had our Sheriff's dept responding to trespassers and the they were discovered to be dumping chemicals on my land, so DHEC was called. They rolled in looking like they had just come in from Desert Storm. Our deputies had a hard time keeping a straight face (fortunately, I didn't have to be so polite ;-).
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    So let's see...

    $100M over 5 years is $20M per year. According to the FBI web site, there are about 14,000 Special Agents. Conservatively assuming that SAs are the only ones training with firearms, that means the yearly ammo budget for training and duty is about $1430 per agent. Seems pretty reasonable to me... I'm not a professional shooter, just an amateur, and I spend more than that on ammo each year. I'm not getting my panties in a wad over this one.

    DHS is an entirely different story.
    But that $1430 averages out to $27.50 per week per shooter! And then we split that between three weapons and it is less than $9.20 per weapon! How are they to maintain their skills? It would seem that on average our forum members buy more ammo than this.
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    The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has awarded defense contractor ATK with an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement for .40 caliber hollow point ammunition. According to an official ATK press release, U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over a five-year period.

    The following is an excerpt from the press release:


    ATK announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

    ATK was the incumbent and won the contract with its HST bullet, which has proven itself in the field. [...]

    “We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE,” said Ron Johnson, President of ATK’s Security and Sporting group.

    The hollow point, of course, features a pitted or hollow tip intended to expand upon entering its target. ATK says its ammunition is “engineered for 100-percent weight retention, limits collateral damage, and avoids over-penetration” — all hallmarks of the hollow point.


    So is this a calculated move by the government to curb ammunition availability to civilians or is it simply another way for it to spend money?
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    To check the solicitation for ammo orders by the government, go here:

    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...150cb&_cview=0

    (This is just one of the many DHS ammo orders amounting to 1.6 billion rounds and still growing):

    AMENDMENT NOTICE:This is a combined synopsis/solicitation for commercial items prepared in accordance with the format in FAR Subpart 12.6, as supplemented with additional information included in this notice.The solicitation number is DG-1330-12-RQ-1028 and is issued as an invitation for bids (IFB), unless otherwise indicated herein.The solicitation document and incorporated provisions and clauses are those in effect through Federal Acquisition Circular FAC 2005-60. The associated North American Industrial Classification System (NAICS) code for this procurement is 332992 with a small business size standard of 1,000.00 employees.This requirement is a [ Small Business ] set-aside and only qualified offerors may submit bids.The solicitation pricing on Meet Your Marketplace. will start on the date this solicitation is posted and will end on 2012-08-21 12:00:00.0 Eastern Time or as otherwise displayed at www.FedBid.com.FOB Destination shall be Multiple shipping information.

    The DOC NOAA National Weather Service - Western Acquisition Division ? Boulder requires the following items, Purchase Description Determined by Line Item, to the following:
    LI 001, 16,000 rounds of ammunition for semiautomatic pistols to be factory-loaded .40 S&W caliber, 180-grain jacketed hollow point (JHP). No reloads may be used with these weapons. All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production.
    ?Inside Delivery? to locations below:
    NED:
    8,000 rounds to: Ross Lane DOC, NOAA, NMFS, OLE, NED 130 Oak Street, Suite 5, Ellsworth, ME, 04605
    8,000 rounds to: Troy Audyatis, DOC, NOAA, NMFS, OLE, NED 53 North 6th Street, Room 214 New Bedford, MA, 02740., 16, Cases;
    LI 002, 24,000 rounds of ammunition for semiautomatic pistols to be factory-loaded .40 S&W caliber, 180-grain jacketed hollow point (JHP). No reloads may be used with these weapons. All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production.
    ?Inside Delivery? to locations below:
    24,000 rounds to: Jeff Radonski, A/DSAC DOC, NOAA, NMFS, OLE, SED 263 13th Avenue South, Suite 109, St. Petersburg, FL, 33701., 24, Cases;
    LI 003, 6,000 rounds of frangible, 125-grain CFRHT .40 caliber. No reloads may be used with these weapons. All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production.
    ?Inside Delivery? to locations below:
    6,000 rounds to: James Cassin DOC, NOAA, NMFS, OLE, NED 3350 Highway 138, Suite 218, Wall, NJ, 07719, 6, Cases;
    LI 004, 500 Transtar II blue 24" x 40" paper targets
    ?Inside Delivery? to locations below:
    200 paper targets to: Ross Lane DOC, NOAA, NMFS, OLE, NED 130 Oak Street, Suite 5 Ellsworth, ME, 04605
    200 paper targets to: Troy Audyatis DOC, NOAA, NMFS, OLE, NED 53 North 6th Street, Room 214 New Bedford, MA, 02740.
    100 paper targets to: James Cassin DOC, NOAA, NMFS, OLE, NED 3350 Highway 138, Suite 218, Wall, NJ, 07719, 500, Items;
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    And the Social Security Administration is buying ammo. Doesn't anybody wonder why the SSA is ordering ammo?

    Check it out here:

    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...source=message

    Synopsis:
    Added: Aug 07, 2012 1:50 pm
    This is a soliciation for Ammunition.  Please see attached combined synopsis/soliciation for all information.
    Please consult the list of document viewers if you cannot open a file.
    RFQ
    Type: Other (Draft RFPs/RFIs, Responses to Questions, etc..)
    Label: RFQ
    Posted Date: August 7, 2012
    SSA-RFQ-12-1851.pdf (87.43 Kb)
    Description: RFQ #: SSA-RFQ-12-1851
    Combined Synopsis.doc (25.00 Kb)
    Description: Combined Synopsis
    52 212-5 Commercial Item Clauses - 2012.docx (42.65 Kb)
    Description: Commercial Terms and Conditions
    Reps and Certs update 7-2012.doc (101.50 Kb)
    Description: Representations and Certifications
    2012 .357 DUTY CARRY AMMO.xlsx (18.22 Kb)
    Description: Delivery Locations
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    There's a "storm-a-brewin'"..........Many, many theories for sure.

    Actually, I really don't know what to say?
    Hide in the bunker?
    Get MORE pissed?
    WAIT!!!.......... WE NEED TO FIND A "REAL' CONSERVATIVE (local! and national)

    IMO= we gotta start & FIGHT at the local level......this INFECTION aint gunna get fixed
    with nothing short of a MAJOR grassroots in our schools (what the he11 are they teaching our kids?),
    our local elected 'officials'......this progressive &^%$ is inbedded so deep, that our whole AMERICA is
    at risk..... and we got 3 friggin years left......

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    I thought you had a line on a group/bulk ammo buy and got real excited for a minute. I guess I should have known better than to think there was a supply of lots of cheap ammo somewhere out there.
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    More discussion. Note that the DHS buy does NOT include The Coast Guard - they buy through the DOD.

    Homeland Security buying pricey ammo as department-wide cuts take hold

    By Perry Chiaramonte, Published March 29, 2013, FoxNews.com

    The Department of Homeland Security is spending more and more on pricey hollow-point bullets for law-enforcement officers -- even as it plans to enforce furloughs and other cuts on Customs and Border Protection employees due to sequestration.

    The Department of Homeland Security plans to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds over the next five years for training and on-duty purposes. They cite the numerous law enforcement agencies contained within the department with employees who carry weapons. But the purchases have led to criticism that the agency is spending money on bullets that can cost twice as much as regular ammo -- and questions over whether those bullets are really needed for training purposes.


    Read more: Homeland Security buying pricey ammo as department-wide cuts take hold | Fox News
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