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    Firearms risk protection act!

    They are trying to create a shower effect... shotgun effect... so many of these little inane attempts to get us to quit paying attention to the real fight for UBCs and maybe even AWB... but they will "compromise" and take just the UBCs if we let them...

    The latest:

    H.R. 1369: To prohibit the sale of a firearm to, and the purchase of a firearm by, a person who is not covered by appropriate liability insurance coverage.

    I've started using PopVox to keep track of this stupidity... It's a really great tool to let the idjits in congress know we are watching their every move...

    Link to popvox on this bill: https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/113/hr1369
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
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    POPVOX.COM is a great tool. I use it weekly & weigh in on all of the ~50 gun bills currently in Congress.

    Unfortunately, my Senators & Rep are Socialists, but I still keep hammering them.
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    I propose the Criminal Risk Act. Criminals must buy insurance to cover the risk of getting shot when they do their crimes.
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    Not such a bad idea on the face of it, but how much pressure and influence can the administration put on the insurance companies to make the rates unaffordable, and they will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stanislaskasava View Post
    I propose the Criminal Risk Act. Criminals must buy insurance to cover the risk of getting shot when they do their crimes.
    Even with the relatively low rate of armed homeowners truly ready to combat thugs, such insurance would be prohibitively expensive...

    Additionally, they risk "friendly fire" more often than enemy fire. Additionally the expense of such insurance would cause the criminals to do more crime to pay for it... and therefore put them at higher risk, increasing the premium... vicious circle...

    I suggest putting them out of their misery at the earliest opportunity...
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    They're still slinging ideas against the wall, hoping something will stick.

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    Insurance doesn't cover willful acts...
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    I wonder if some of the so called leaders get in a room,and try to see who can come up with the most stupid law.I gotta buy insurance,for a gun,i have for protection,ugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post
    Insurance doesn't cover willful acts...
    Ah, so it's truly ONLY the upstanding and the few who are accidental/negligent cases who'd be covering such costs of crime. Proof that it's everyone other than criminals being forced to pay for criminals.

    We're already paying. Insurance coverage ain't gonna help stop criminals or provide recompense for their acts. Particularly given that this bill presumes violent felons who get their guns off-radar are going to even be seen for purposes of tagging them with an insurance bill. Fail, big-time.


    Quote Originally Posted by Exacto View Post
    Not such a bad idea on the face of it, but ...
    Disagree.

    Fact is, people held accountable for their crimes are already liable for damage related to their crimes via the civil courts process.

    Holding people accountable who have nothing whatsoever to do with crime via forcible insurance coverage merely because some fear the criminal misuse by some makes no sense IMO. On the face of it as well as deep down, it's insupportable. JMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Ah, so it's truly ONLY the upstanding and the few who are accidental/negligent cases who'd be covering such costs of crime. Proof that it's everyone other than criminals being forced to pay for criminals.
    - There was a hearing in CT on a bill requiring insurance for gun owners. Insurance representatives testified that intentional or criminal acts would not be covered.

    Insurers were no more enthusiastic. Susan Giacolone from the Insurance Association of Connecticut said gun accidents are already covered by homeowners' insurance, and the industry isn't about to cover criminal acts.

    "Mandating insurance for gun ownership actually ignores the fundamental purpose of insurance. And that is to provide coverage for fortuitous or accidental events. We do not and will not provide coverage for intentional acts, criminal acts or willful acts."
    Gun insurance proposal draws heat | The Connecticut Mirror
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exacto View Post
    Not such a bad idea on the face of it, but how much pressure and influence can the administration put on the insurance companies to make the rates unaffordable, and they will.
    How much pressure can they put on the insurance companies to reveal the names and addresses of every person that bought a firearm insurance policy?

    It seems like it would be just another attempt at registration.
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    What a great idea. I wonder if we can get religion insurance? What if my moral beliefs offend someone, and I get sued? Insurance covers me. What about speech insurance? If you are a liberal, you're likely to say something stupid, offensive, wrong, or slanderous. Insurance covers any civil suit.

    Heck, we're required to carry health insurance as a result of being alive. Might as well mandate insurance to ensure due process, cover searches and seizures, and cruel or unusual punishment too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exacto View Post
    Not such a bad idea on the face of it, but how much pressure and influence can the administration put on the insurance companies to make the rates unaffordable, and they will.
    Its a bad idea in the face, behind, underneath and all over....... The bad idea of it is it violates the 2nd amendment.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Even with the relatively low rate of armed homeowners truly ready to combat thugs, such insurance would be prohibitively expensive...

    Additionally, they risk "friendly fire" more often than enemy fire. Additionally the expense of such insurance would cause the criminals to do more crime to pay for it... and therefore put them at higher risk, increasing the premium... vicious circle...

    I suggest putting them out of their misery at the earliest opportunity...
    Well I wasn't exactly being serious with my proposal...

    I heard today that criminals steal 500,000 guns/year in America. If that's true, then it should be our number one priority. Background checks won't affect theft. Gun insurance won't affect theft, et cetera.

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