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    My Comments: WOW! Really? Socialism sucks big in CO! Boycot the entire state!


    A bill is heading to Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper’s desk that Republican lawmakers say would give members of the Secret Service broad arrest powers in the state and could provide a framework for federal agents eventually to enforce gun restrictions.

    “This is absolutely insane,” Rep. Lori Saine, R-Dacono, said. “In theory if a Secret Service agent is in a county where the sheriff has refused to enforce some of the recent unenforceable gun laws, the agent could arrest an individual if he believes the law has been broken.”


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    Damnorats in Denver.
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    wow... just another reason to avoid colorado. Liked how the article highlighted how different legislatures where told different things to get them on board.

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    I am sickened by the process the CO state govt is going through. I've spent quite a bit of tourism dollars vacationing in the state over the years. I plan to avoid CO until some sense of sanity returns. I just hate it for the 2A respecting folks like Rock and Glock and other site members from CO. There has not been much, if any, good news coming out of there for a while now.

    It's a little scary to me because I can practically throw a rock and hit Trinidad from where I live here in Texas. It's amazing to me that one can cross an invisible line when traveling from one state to another and the rules can change so drastically. I know that's how it works in our country, but it just doesn't seem right that like minded 2A people have to live by such varying laws and regulations.
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    So when the big quake finally drops the west coast into the ocean, Colorado will become the new California...coastline and all.
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    ...and the Secret Service is under WHICH Department??? Hmm...
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    what are they thinking??what is happening to this country?
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    Now this is some REALLY scary stuff!!! Maybe I have the super heavy duty Reynolds Wrap on right now, but this is truly some Gestapo-style type tactics. Being a healthcare professional, I can see room for all sorts of abuse with this type of legislation should it be passed. Lock 'em up, throw away the key type stuff. A lot of folks don't realize just how difficult it can be to get out of a mental health facility if committed involuntarily. That 72 hour hold could be just the beginning.
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    Wow, my brothers and sisters in CO, stay strong and it's always worse before it gets better. Next election, you can change some of this stuff.

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    The key word in this agency is (Secret)..oh wait, I forgot; the current admin said we would all enjoy (more) transparency.

    I see no need to prolong my post with examples and evidence to those who understand precisely what is happening.
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    It's bad enough that the Feds want to take away our states and individual rights but now Colorado is giving the rights away. Late hope other states don't follow this approach.

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    I am not sure I understand what the issues are. Secret Service agents already have the power of arrest. They are authorized to United States Secret Service: Frequently Asked Questions
    • Execute warrants issued under the laws of the United States
    • Make arrests without warrants for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony recognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed such felony


    The Colorado law doesn't really seem to extend these powers significantly, merely confirm them (and they still have force of law without CO assistance):

    SB13-013 Secret Service Limited Peace Officer Authority - 2013 Colorado Bill via LegisPeak

    RESPONDING TO AN EMERGENCY SITUATION IN WHICH HE OR SHE HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT A NONFEDERAL FELONY OR MISDEMEANOR INVOLVING INJURY OR THREAT OF INJURY TO A PERSON OR PROPERTY HAS BEEN, OR IS BEING, COMMITTED AND IMMEDIATE ACTION IS REQUIRED TO PREVENT ESCAPE, SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, OR DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY

    You could argue that the wording "non-federal felony" is different then "felony against the laws of the United States", but I think that is a hair split by lawyers.

    "Misdemeanor involving injury or threat of injury". This seems strange. If it is a misdemeanor, by definition, it results in no lasting injury. If it does, then it is a felony. This line could be a CYA to ensure the agent feels empowered to take action where injury is possible or probable, but has not yet occurred. That way they don't have to wait for the "misdemeanor" to become a "felony" before jumping in.

    Seriously, CCW talk at length here about how they would jump into action to defend Joe Public, yet are upset when the Secret Service is empowered to do the same?

    At the end of the day, the federal government has plenty of agents with broad sweeping arrest powers, so it is not like this bill will make a difference in terms of federal intervention. FBI/DHS is always available to do what Uncle Sam wants, even without this bill empowering secret service.
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    The issue is that the government has no business enforcing a state's laws...
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    A bill is heading to Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper’s desk that Republican lawmakers say would give members of the Secret Service broad arrest powers in the state and could provide a framework for federal agents eventually to enforce gun restrictions.
    I wonder if they will enforce federal marijuana law while they're at it.

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    Is there a reliable source verifying this?

    “In theory if a Secret Service agent is in a county where the sheriff has refused to enforce some of the recent unenforceable gun laws, the agent could arrest an individual if he believes the law has been broken.”
    In MN, any adult can arrest a person they believe broke the law.

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