House of Representatives FLIPS. Bad News for Gunowners?

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    soapbox on
    1. Dems now want to "cooperate" with a "bipartisan" house and maybe Senate. What happened to them dragging their feet. The problem is republicans also have some turn coats. That is bad for us.

    2. Dems will take this "landslide" as a mandate for everything they ever wanted. Also very bad for us.

    3. If congress follows suit then a UN treaty is very likely. If there is going to be a revolution "political or other wise" look at how many people are competent to actually realize this. (call me paranoid)

    -Remember we are a small but outspoken segment of the general public. Expect to see the argument that we are just too selfish to give up are rights for the well being of the "rest" population.

    -I think some organizations have been over optimistic about all our recent gains. These could be rolled back faster then any of us want to admit.

    -Unfortunately these cycles seems to be historic. Every country eventually tears itself apart because of complacency. We have the best system that has ever been but what will it take to protect it?

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    I like the idea of Pelosi in charge. She is in my opinion the fastest route to America having a revolution and starting over from scratch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SammyIamToday View Post
    I like the idea of Pelosi in charge. She is in my opinion the fastest route to America having a revolution and starting over from scratch.
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    Gun control wasn't an issue before the election, but I bet they will find time for it after the election.
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    Regarding the pro-gun Dems who just got elected to the house. Keep in mind the arm-twisting the anti-gun Democratic leadership will apply to these freshmen Congressmen. Unless these guys are totally committed to the 2nd Amendment, I have no confidence in their support. If they have to swap road projects for another AWB, guess which wins.

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    P.S. don't forget to add a few MRE's to the list of "groceries".
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    Look for Conyers screaming for impeachment. They are still sore that Gore didn't win in 00 and still sore that teh GOP impeached Billy BJ Clinton. They want payback.

    Look for cut and run tactics plans for Iraq.

    Look for the UN to start messing with the US again.

    Look for taxes to go up.

    Look for the business tax cuts, you know the ones that fueled the boost in economy and lowered unemployment, to not be renewed.

    Look for another gun control agenda worse than before.

    Look for blockages of the free market economy.

    What will be interesting is that the old crop of far left leaders having to deal with the incoming conservative Dems. This might be a little better for us. I'll grab the popcorn.
    We need to hope we can stop bills in the senate and Bush has his veto pen ready and filled with ink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freakshow10mm View Post
    Look for Conyers screaming for impeachment. They are still sore that Gore didn't win in 00 and still sore that teh GOP impeached Billy BJ Clinton. They want payback.
    So, you mean to say that there can not possibly be any compelling reason whatsoever for impeaching Bush?

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    Look for cut and run tactics plans for Iraq.
    Please define "cut and run". Does your definition allow for leaving Iraq at all?

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    Look for the UN to start messing with the US again.
    Like they did back in... when?

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    Look for taxes to go up.
    As if the Republicans haven't raised taxes?

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    Look for the business tax cuts, you know the ones that fueled the boost in economy and lowered unemployment, to not be renewed.
    You mean like the 180 tax exemptions the Republican-controlled Congress failed to renew, prior to ending the Congressional session to begin campaigning?

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    Look for another gun control agenda worse than before.
    You mean worse than the AWB that the Republican president wanted to renew?

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    Look for blockages of the free market economy.
    Define "free market economy", please.

    Quote Originally Posted by freakshow10mm View Post
    What will be interesting is that the old crop of far left leaders having to deal with the incoming conservative Dems. This might be a little better for us. I'll grab the popcorn.
    We need to hope we can stop bills in the senate and Bush has his veto pen ready and filled with ink.
    Define "conservative Democrats", please. I don't think they're conservative at all. I think they're moderate-liberal, and that they compare enough to moderate Republicans that they appear to be "more conservative".

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    Hey, hey, hey!!!

    Hold up folks - we are now getting into deeper matters - and while important, CC is not the place for in depth debate on such - Bumper's rules!

    Too much of that and the thread will go bye-bye.
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    Good point, P95.

    It should be said, though, that the belief that "the sky is falling" because the Democrats won overall, is more based upon the belief that the Republicans are "totally opposite", where in reality not much has changed.

    Politicians are the same, whether they wear a red tie or a blue tie, which was the point of my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundeyesamurai View Post
    Good point, P95.

    It should be said, though, that the belief that "the sky is falling" because the Democrats won overall, is more based upon the belief that the Republicans are "totally opposite", where in reality not much has changed.

    Politicians are the same, whether they wear a red tie or a blue tie, which was the point of my post.
    I agree completely. It's the flip side of the same crappy coin. It really remains to be seen whether or not things will change. Although obviously with Pelosi in control of what bills get put up there's a bigger chance for it. I don't think either party in general gives a crap about the 2A unless it matters for votes.
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    A Wake Up Call for the GOP

    The Republicans lost NOT because of the people identifying with the Democrats but because the GOP failed to represent the people who put them into office.

    When the Republicans gained control of both houses it was because the voters were let down by the Democrats. The change was to let the Dems know they failed.

    Did the Democrats win this election because the people have faith in them? Absolutely not! They won because the GOP failed.

    I think that most of the supporters of the GOP generally approved of the war, they just felt it could have been handled better. The GOP supporters want closed borders. The GOP ignored that. etc. etc.

    Look at George Allen. He is supposed to be very pro gun. He has dragged his feet on the National Park carry issue for over a year but shortly before the election he said that he will propose legislation to allow carry in the parks AFTER THE ELECTION. How convenient!

    In two years the Republican leadership will either wake up or lose the White House.

    God...I hate politics.

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    In before thread lock.

    So, you mean to say that there can not possibly be any compelling reason whatsoever for impeaching Bush?



    Please define "cut and run". Does your definition allow for leaving Iraq at all?



    Like they did back in... when?



    As if the Republicans haven't raised taxes?



    You mean like the 180 tax exemptions the Republican-controlled Congress failed to renew, prior to ending the Congressional session to begin campaigning?



    You mean worse than the AWB that the Republican president wanted to renew?



    Define "free market economy", please.



    Define "conservative Democrats", please. I don't think they're conservative at all. I think they're moderate-liberal, and that they compare enough to moderate Republicans that they appear to be "more conservative".

    1. I think we have a lot better things to worry about than impeaching a president.

    2. Cut and run. Tuck tail and run away like pansies. What we need to do is take the fricking cameras and media out of Iraq and let the military do what it does best.

    3. Like they have been doing for the last 10 years, trying to for a one government world, eliminating individualism, and disarming citizens.

    4. Rs aren't perfect. Bush cut business and income taxes. The Dems will eliminate this and increase taxes to fuel their socialist agenda.

    5. Like I said, Rs aren't perfect. They just had priorities.

    6. Yes, worse than that. Take a look at the Democrat's 5 year plan. Scary indeed. If I own 5 guns I need a $200 "arsenal license" and the ATF can barge in and inspect at any time?

    5. Free market economy is one with few government controls. Minimum wages, multiple taxes, government mandated regulations and such, like the Democrats have mostly introduced, are not productive to fueling the economy. Free markets economies thrive. Socialist economies don't work. Look at most of Europe and Asia as a way not to do things.

    6. Conservative Democrats are those Ds who are pro-gun, anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, etc. Democrats with conservative values, like Reagan Dems.

    I don't think the Dems or Repubs have the answers, which is why I voted Libertarian. If I had a choice between Ds or Rs, I'd choose Rs as the lesser of the two evils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulG View Post
    The Republicans lost NOT because of the people identifying with the Democrats but because the GOP failed to represent the people who put them into office.

    God...I hate politics.
    PualG is right. It is not so much that the Dems won as it is the the GOP lost. When your representative no longer represents you, your duty is to not elect them. The problem is that with a 2 party system the replacement might not represent you either. I hate politics too, but there is no other country I would rather live in no matter whose in charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    The problem is that witha 2 party system the replacementmight not represent you either. I hate politics too, but their is no other country I would rather live in no matter whose in charge.
    As I posted earlier, I am optimistic that the American public is becoming cognizant of this fact.

    Maybe this is something for all of us to work toward?

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