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    Defense or obstruction?

    If "the man" (government) comes to your door and asks for your guns, When is it defense or obstruction?
    As I see it you have a few options:
    Hand everything over without a fight.
    Tell them that you sold everything years ago.
    Stand your ground and fight.

    If you fight, is it defense or obstruction of the law?

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    What right does any man from the government have to ask for your gun?


    If he is "asking" then tell him no.
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    Good rule of thumb: if they ask, say no. They won't ask for permission if they have probable cause, a warrant, or other legal right to search and seizure.
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    I'm not really looking for answers. This is just more of a discussion.

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    If "the man" (government) comes to your door............

    Don't open the door. If nobody is home there is nobody to ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StripesDude View Post
    Good rule of thumb: if they ask, say no. They won't ask for permission if they have probable cause, a warrant, or other legal right to search and seizure.
    Oh, boy.. That solves that problem. Whew!

    Of course, police always ask first... Even when they've got PC. And if they're a knockin'... They suspect you gots what they lookin' for.

    If it comes to that, I hope I ain't home... I might end up DRT.

    I'd rather have the opportunity to participate in the revolt.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    Not really the same issue and under no circumstances would I promote these people as normal gun owners but this is what happened when Govt. agents showed up to search for Illegal weapons at Waco.

    Pried em from their cold dead hands.

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    Hand him your sales slips that show you sold everything you had to J. Smith back in 47 and send him on his way but thats just me oh and I believe he lives in Russia
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    I'd rather have the opportunity to participate in the revolt.
    By all appearances and indications; that is precisely the way this is shaping up.
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    It won't be "The Man," it will be "The Men," and about 40 of them.

    My most likely response will be to tell them to perform a physically impossible act upon themselves, and go from there. I'm getting a bit contankerous in my old age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ_mp40c View Post
    If "the man" (government) comes to your door and asks for your guns, When is it defense or obstruction?
    As I see it you have a few options:
    Hand everything over without a fight.
    Tell them that you sold everything years ago.
    Stand your ground and fight.

    If you fight, is it defense or obstruction of the law?
    re: Part in bold--- that's criminal and suicidal.

    The second option is lying and is probably criminal as well.

    If the folks at the door really are LEO you aren't going to win anything or gain anything
    by playing games.

    Turn 'em over and then let a lawyer deal with what occurred. That is the only way
    to maybe get them back some day without risking jail, serious bodily injury, or death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by latentcarry View Post
    Not really the same issue and under no circumstances would I promote these people as normal gun owners but this is what happened when Govt. agents showed up to search for Illegal weapons at Waco.

    Pried em from their cold dead hands.

    Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It isn't the same situation and the "sympathy" for the folks in Waco goes only, IMO, to the unfortunate
    children who were barbequed. The adults knew what they were doing. It could have started with
    zero bloodshed and ended with none.

    I'm always amazed when folks side with the lunatics merely because the word "gun" is involved
    in their stupid lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ_mp40c View Post
    If "the man" (government) comes to your door and asks for your guns, When is it defense or obstruction?
    When you refuse to "cooperate," irrespective of the demands.
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    Your scenario is interesting, however, the laws of this country won't allow LE to just show-up and demand firearms without some probable cause you have committed some crime. If LE has a warrant, it would be best to step aside and allow entry because they WILL enter, trust me.

    BUT, in the future I suspect there will be laws which will allow LE/military to do whatever they please for the "best interest of the country". I hope I'm not here when all that occurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USM1976 View Post
    Your scenario is interesting, however, the laws of this country won't allow LE to just show-up and demand firearms without some probable cause you have committed some crime. If LE has a warrant, it would be best to step aside and allow entry because they WILL enter, trust me.
    Really? Oh good!

    I thought they could just, you know, declare an emergency, or something, and just waltz in and take 'em.



    BUT, in the future I suspect there will be laws which will allow LE/military to do whatever they please for the "best interest of the country". I hope I'm not here when all that occurs.
    I hope I'm not here when that happens either..... OOOPS... I guess I was here when it happened. Where were you?
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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