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The Second Amendment emerges from the election relatively unscathed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Democratic victories are no longer synonymous with gun control victories.
    Well, if it's on the Internet, than it has to be true


    You know, I could quite possibly be the most pessimistic person on this board. Being such, I would just like to say that if gun control was a part of my agenda, and I wanted to make sure my officials (that zealously tote the party line) were to be elected, nowhere would gun control be mentioned during the election. Especially if there is a chance gullible gun owners can be swayed into voting democrat because of their disdain in Bush. Only after we've became the house majority, can we "spring the trap", as it were.

    As I said before, mark my words, the next televised school shooting, the democrats will make the 2nd Amendment and gun control their new focus, especially with their new house speaker.

    The 2nd Amendment gets away unschathed? Hardly... it's only a matter of time till all of their players are positioned, will they attack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    The "old guard" really doesn't have all that many tools to force the freshmen to toe the line, particularly in the Senate. Look how much trouble Bush had getting major elements of his agenda through the Senate with a 5-vote Republican majority.

    You can't get anything done in the Senate with 51 votes. You need 60 to break a filibuster, and there are plenty of senators on both sides of the aisle who will gladly talk forever for gun rights.

    Tell that to the NRA, who gave an A rating, and their endorsement, to the Democratic candidate in my district.
    I trust the NRA and their ratings as far as I can pick up the HQ building and throw it. Quite Frankly the NRA doesn't care about your rights. They care about "hunting" and "sporting purposes". They cave way to often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razorblade View Post
    Well, if it's on the Internet, than it has to be true


    You know, I could quite possibly be the most pessimistic person on this board. Being such, I would just like to say that if gun control was a part of my agenda, and I wanted to make sure my officials (that zealously tote the party line) were to be elected, nowhere would gun control be mentioned during the election. Especially if there is a chance gullible gun owners can be swayed into voting democrat because of their disdain in Bush. Only after we've became the house majority, can we "spring the trap", as it were.

    As I said before, mark my words, the next televised school shooting, the democrats will make the 2nd Amendment and gun control their new focus, especially with their new house speaker.

    The 2nd Amendment gets away unschathed? Hardly... it's only a matter of time till all of their players are positioned, will they attack.
    Actually I think I have you beat on the pessimism. I hate to think this way, but quite frankly I hope for the best and plan for the worst - hence as soon as I have more funds, I will add greatly to my "museum" via private sale.

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    Goawayfarm - Hey guy, don't sugar coat it, tells us what you REALLY think.

    By the way, I agree with you 127%!

    Whether things turn out bad or not, we need to plan for the worst. The liberal leadership hasn't changed its collective opinion about the Second Amendment, they have just been laying low.

    I predict that during the next two years one of two things will happen: 1) the liberals will lay low so as not to jeapordize the 2008 election and then if they keep congress and take the Presidency, they will be back with a gun control vengence OR 2) they will return to the "sensible gun control" over the two years.

    Either way, we CANNOT relax. In the same way we carry a firearm and hope we don't need it, we need to keep vigilent with regard to the Dems and hope we are wrong.

    Stay safe out there.

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    goawayfarm is right. The NRA and several pro-gun folks were deceived this time by wolves in sheeps' clothing. Those democrats who garnered votes, and subsequent victory, by telling those naive enough to believe them that they were pro-2nd Amendment will reveal their true nature as soon as the White House is theirs in 2008.
    "Society never advances. It recedes as fast on one side as it gains on the other. It undergoes continual change; but this change is not [an improvement]. For everything that is given, something is taken."
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax2976 View Post
    I think politicians are much about political survival. Given that, my expectation (hope) is that the more anti-gun Dems are going to back off, realizing they can't hold office or gain the Presidency in 08 if they start touting a liberal anti-gun agenda.

    In that vein, I heard self-labeled libertarian Bill Mahr on Larry King voice just such the same idea. He effectively said, "Let them have their guns and marriage" - speaking of gun rights and those opposed to gay marriage.

    I don't care much about the marriage issue as I don't think the State should be involved in it at all, much less dictating who can or cannot be married. But coming from someone who is an advocate for more gun control, this is at least something.

    Politicians aren't generally stupid - power hungry yes - but not generally stupid. If they can lay off the liberal agenda of the far left, they have a chance to stay in power. If they don't, they risk loosing what they've gained.
    Self-labeled is correct because real Libertarians are opposed to all gun control.
    ...He suggested that "every American citizen" should own a rifle and train with it on firing ranges "at every courthouse." -Chesty Puller

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    The anti's are celebrating, so DON'T get complacent!

    The Antis are seeing this election as new life for their cause. So everybody should wake up & smell wants being shoveled & it ain't pretty. Call it pessimistic if you want, but no matter want a liberal says to get elected......look at WHO SUPPORTS them! These anti groups will be the first ones in line to collect from those that got elected.



    "Republicans got what they deserved, but did we?"
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    "Candidates for Tougher Gun Laws are Winning Dramatically"
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    "A National Momentum Shift: Supporters of Common Sense Gun Laws Win Races From Coast to Coast"
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    On a personal note....shame on ANYBODY who allows themselves to be deceived by a liberal politician. I know people voted for liberals for what they perceive as failure by the RINOs. However the answer is not going more to the left!

    I also realize things don't appear well in Iraq, no war ever does goes well. (I have a daughter & son-in-law over there now, so I do have a clue.) So the country's answer was to punish RINOs, they deserve it, they aren't protecting our borders, they are spending like crazy.......but the answer is NOT electing liberals who WILL BE WORSE.
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    What we need to do is pay attention to the bills. We also need to hold onto our pro-gun Democrats and keep on them. We need to have good communication between them and us. We need to keep them closer than ever before because they make the difference between getting Dem bills passed and having them fail. I am glad that only 5% of bills get passed, but we need to keep an eye on every single bill, especially since the Democrats control the agenda.

    What I am keeping my eye out for is their push for universal socialist healthcare and sneak in another anti-gun bill in there while we are distracted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    Presented just FYI
    The equation has shifted and Democrats now are in control of both houses of congress.
    They now control the House & the Senate.
    The saving grace is that many of the Democrats who were elected this time 'round are decently to the right on gun and shooters rights.
    Is that something that is known because of a demonstrated voting record on the issue, or is it just what they said they believed in order to get elected? The difference will end up being very crucial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulG View Post
    Whether things turn out bad or not, we need to plan for the worst. The liberal leadership hasn't changed its collective opinion about the Second Amendment, they have just been laying low.

    I predict that during the next two years one of two things will happen: 1) the liberals will lay low so as not to jeapordize the 2008 election and then if they keep congress and take the Presidency, they will be back with a gun control vengence
    Exactly. 100% accurate assessment. It's ridiculous to believe that the reason the liberals have been silent on gun control is because they no longer believe in it or want it. They simply knew that efforts at gun control would have been wasted when they didn't control congress.

    I noted all during the election that not only did politicians never mention gun control, neither did the news media. Whenever there was a table in a news article about issues, and where the candidates stand on them, gun control was never a bulleted (sorry) item. The news people were complicit in preventing liberals from having to go on record stating a position about gun control. They could have asked the politicians about it, because they know it's still an active social issue; what I feel they were doing was helping liberals skate and not have to either lie and say they don't want gun control furtherance, or come out and be frank and thus alienate lots of Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimpy View Post
    will reveal their true nature as soon as the White House is theirs in 2008.
    Man, I don't want to make light of this subject, but it's just like the movie Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. It is lurking beneigh the surface long enough for all the players to assume their roles. Once everyone is in position, their true intentions will be known. Unfortunantly, this isn't happening in a univirse far, far away

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    All I have to say is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by goawayfarm View Post
    I think you are deluding yourselves.......

    Anybody remember Bill Clinton & his AWB? The new leadership is cut from the same cloth. (a tiger, is a tiger, is a tiger...)

    Remember also that liberals run as conservative to get elected. Even if the newbies are sincere, the old guard (who is in charge now), won't allow it. They will be forced to tow the line.

    Can we afford not to be vigilant?

    My predictions:

    - no chance of passing 'National Park carry'
    - no chance of 'National Reciprocity'
    - big chance of AWB coming around again
    - big chance of further restrictions on guns

    Look at history, recent history............remember what the party in power has said:


    Well guess what, if Allen in Va loses....Feinstein has her 51 votes.

    I have read all the threads today saying 'don't worry...the dems won't take your guns....'

    wrong, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

    All of THEIR OWN WORDS, tells us they will be after them.

    WAKE THE HE__ UP people & stop shoveling this BS. They will be emboldened & we are prime targets.
    Make no mistake... the Democrats will ban all guns if they get the chance. Tha best way to control a population is to first disarm it!!!
    Wake up America!!!

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