That's the best news I've seen/heard all day!!!!!!
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Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
National Review Online ^ | November 08, 2006 | Dave Kopel
November 08, 2006, 9:40 a.m.
By Dave Kopel
The Second Amendment has emerged from the biggest Democratic victory since 1974 with relatively little damage. One reason is that in races all over the country, Democrats returned to their Jefferson-Jackson roots by running candidates who trust the people to bear arms.
I do not disagree that the Democratic gains in Congress will, on the whole, be harmful for the economy, and extremely dangerous for the war against Islamofascism.
Nevertheless, the class of pro-gun Democrats who will be joining the House and the Senate includes some who will eventually become party leaders, and who will help move the Democratic party back towards its traditional position of respect for the civil liberties of the American people. A very constructive development, in the long run.
The information below is based on the results as of early Wednesday morning. The ratings cited below are from the National Rifle Association.
Governors: In a year in which Democrats gained a half-dozen governorships, only one pro-gun incumbent governor was defeated. Pro-gun Republican incumbents who repelled anti-gun challenges included Schwarzenegger (Calif.), Carcieri (R.I.), and Douglas (Vt.). After trailing for months, Tim Pawlenty won a very close re-election in Minnesota, while Jim Gibbons survived a last-minute scare in Nevada.
Democrats Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Jennifer Granholm of Michigan were not considered friendly to the Second Amendment when they were elected, but they helped ensure their re-election by generally supporting Second Amendment rights during their first terms. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, Phil Bredesen of Tennessee, Brad Henry of Oklahoma, and Dave Freudenthal of Wyoming won their first terms by promising to protect Second Amendment rights, and they won easy re-election in part because they kept their promises.
In open seats, winners were pro-gun Democrat Culver (Iowa), and pro-gun Republicans Palin (Alaska), Crist (Fla.), and Otter (Idaho). All of the Republicans defeated candidates with weaker records on the Second Amendment.
Second Amendment activists did not achieve their goals of unseating Jim Doyle (Wisconsin) or Ted Kulongoski (Ore.).
In Maryland, incumbent Governor Bob Ehrlich was rhetorically pro-gun, but did very little to help gun owners. He was defeated by the “F”-rated Martin O’Malley. Next year, the gun-prohibition lobby in Maryland will make a major push to ban self-loading firearms.
The other major Second Amendment loss was in Colorado, where strongly anti-gun Democrat Bill Ritter will replace retiring Governor Bill Owens. In addition, moderately anti-gun George Pataki of New York will be replaced by vehemently anti-gun Democrat Elliot Spitzer.
Retiring anti-gun Republican Governor Bob Taft of Ohio will give way to solidly pro-gun Democrat Ted Strickland. Preliminary results suggest that the Ohio legislature still has a pro-gun majority, so prospects for constructive reform of Ohio laws — particularly pre-emption of local gun bans — appear good.
Net gubernatorial results: -1.5.
Losses: Colorado, Maryland, and half of one in New York.
Senate: With McCaskill taking Talent’s seat, we lose one seat for Second Amendment rights. In Vermont, Bernie Sander (“C-” rating) will take the place of retiring Jim Jeffords (“B” rated in his last election, but performed worse in his final term), so let’s call that a wash. In all other states, incumbents won, or were replaced by candidates who had nearly identical ratings on gun issues.
Net Senate results: -1.
Of the new pro-gun Democrats, Casey does not appear very deep intellectually, but Webb may emerge as an articulate, well-informed spokesman for America’s traditional culture of gun ownership. Jon tester of Montana has Second Amendment views that are consistent with his state’s.
Assuming that tester and Webb win, Majority Leader Reid will be one of a half-dozen generally pro-gun Democrats, along with Baucus, Ben Nelson, and Casey. The number of Democratic Senators who will vote against guns under all circumstances appears to be less then 20 (based on the number who voted in favor of allowing federal funds to be spent on gun confiscation during emergencies, even when the confiscation is not authorized by any law).
House: Pro-gun losses were about half the size of Republican losses — which is another way of saying that many of the Democrats who made the 2006 takeover possible are pro-gun. These include FL 16 (Mahoney), Indiana (Donnelly, Ellsworth, Hill), MN 1 (Walz), NC 11 (Shuler), Ohio (Wilson, Space), PA 4 (Altmire), TX 22 (Lampson), and VT (Welch).
Party control changed in the following races where pro-gun candidates were defeated by gun-control supporters: AZ 5 (Hayworth), CA 11 (Pombo), CO 7 (open), CT 2 (Simmons), IA 1 (open), KS 2 (Ryun), KY 3 (Northrup), NH (Shea, Bass), PA (Weldon, Fitzpatrick, Sherwood), NY 20 (Sweeney), WI 8 (open).
Net House results: -14, which would drop to -15 if Reichert (WA 8) loses his lead.
Several other districts had changes that were only a matter of degree: In NY 24 (open) an “F” rated Democrat took the seat of retiring “D+” rated Sherwood Boehlert. In FL 16, Shaw (“C+” rated) was replaced by an “F” challenger. The Illinois seat of retiring, and inconsistent, Henry Hyde was won by “A” rated Republican Peter Roskama. Democrat Peter Welch (“A” rated) of Vermont will take over the at-large seat vacated by Socialist Sanders (“C-” rated). The sum of the results in these four races is no net change.
There were, of course, many other tough races where pro-rights activists provided the volunteer work and votes that helped keep seats in pro-gun hands. Among these are AZ 1 (Renzi), CA 4 (Doolittle), CO 4 (Musgrave), CO 5 (open, Lamborn), Florida (Buchanan, Keller, Bilirakis), IN 3 (Souder), MN 6 (Bachmann), NM 1 (Wilson), Ohio (Chabot, Schmidt, Tiberi, Pryce), VA10 (Wolf), and WY (Cubin).
Many Democrats are now saying that 2006 is their 1994. Arguably so. The number of 2006 losses by pro-gun candidates, however, is very small compared to the number of 1994 losses by anti-gun candidates. Democratic victories are no longer synonymous with gun control victories.
— Dave Kopel is research director at the Independence Institute.
Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.
That's the best news I've seen/heard all day!!!!!!
I think you are deluding yourselves.......
Anybody remember Bill Clinton & his AWB? The new leadership is cut from the same cloth. (a tiger, is a tiger, is a tiger...)
Remember also that liberals run as conservative to get elected. Even if the newbies are sincere, the old guard (who is in charge now), won't allow it. They will be forced to tow the line.
Can we afford not to be vigilant?
- no chance of passing 'National Park carry'
- no chance of 'National Reciprocity'
- big chance of AWB coming around again
- big chance of further restrictions on guns
Look at history, recent history............remember what the party in power has said:
Well guess what, if Allen in Va loses....Feinstein has her 51 votes.Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.-Joseph Biden
I don't know why people carry guns. Guns kill people.-Michael Bloomberg NYC Mayor
Yes, I'm denying you your rights.-Tom Bradley
For target shooting, that's okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that's why we have police departments. -James Brady
To me, the only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes.-Sarah Brady
We must get rid of all the guns.-Sarah Brady
I don't think there is a Second Amendment right to own a gun.- James Carville
We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that... If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime.- Mary Ann Carlson State Senator (VT)
As you know, my position is we should ban all handguns, get rid of them, no manufacture, no sale, no importation, no transportation, no possession of a handgun.- John H. Chafee U.S. Senator (R-RI) ***AT LEAST HE'S GONE!
Defensive gun ownership is "anarchy, not order under law--a jungle where each relies on himself for survival," and an insult to government, for "[a] state in which a citizen needs a gun to protect himself from crime has failed to perform its first purpose.
Ramsey Clark, former U.S. AG
[P]eople who like assault weapons they should join the United States Army, we have them.-Wesley Clark
We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases.
William L. Clay
I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun. I also believe that every new handgun sale or or transfer should be listed in a national registry, such as Chuck [Senator Schumer] is proposing.- Hillary Clinton
And we should -- then every community in the country could then start doing major weapon sweeps and then destroying the weapons, not selling them.- Bill Clinton
Assault weapons in the hands of civilians exist for no reason but to inspire fear and wreak deadly havoc on our streets.-Bill Clinton
We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to own handguns and rifles that we are unable to think clearly about reality.- Bill Clinton
If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.- Bill Clinton
The constitution is a radical document. It is the job of government to reign in people's rights.- Bill Clinton
If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own handguns...-Richard Daley
You know I don't believe in people owning guns, only the police and military. And I'm going to do everything I can to disarm this state. -Michael Dukakis
The national guard fulfills the the militia mentioned in the Second Amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves.-Dianne Feinstein
These automatic, semiautomatic handguns and assault weapons, they really have no place in our society.-Al Gore
We don't need more concealed weapons in our malls, in our movie theaters, and our streets. We need fewer concealed weapons in our society.-Al Gore
I don't believe that assault rifles ought to be sold in America.-John Kerry
I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns.-Howard Metzenbaum
What good does it do to ban some guns? All guns should be banned.-
Nobody should be owning a gun which does not have a sporting purpose.-Janet Reno U.S. Attorney General
Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.-Janet Reno
Gun registration is not enough.-Janet Reno
We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true! We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy. We're going to beat guns into submission!-Charles Schumer
Like flat earth fanatics, Second Amendment fanatics just don't get it. Facts are facts. The earth is not flat. And Constitutional law is Constitutional law. The Second Amendment is not absolute. It does not guarantee the mythical individual right to bear arms we will hear argued for today. The gun lobby and its friends in Congress can line up professors of history and law from here to NRA headquarters and back. They can all swear what they think the Second Amendment means, and how many angels can dance on a pinhead. But the settled law is flatly against them.-Charles Schumer
Those who push the gun lobby's absolute view of the Second Amendment, get over it! The earth is not flat and the Second Amendment is not absolute. You're wrong.-Charles Schumer
...the NRA, which is an extremist organization...believe people should be allowed to have bazookas and tanks...-Charles Schumer
...the only people who use them [so-called assault weapons] are mass murderers...-Charles Schumer
If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all!-Henry A. Waxman
Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel safe.-Dianne Feinstein
If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.-Dianne Feinstein
I have read all the threads today saying 'don't worry...the dems won't take your guns....'
wrong, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG
All of THEIR OWN WORDS, tells us they will be after them.
WAKE THE HE__ UP people & stop shoveling this BS. They will be emboldened & we are prime targets.
Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.-Seneca
"If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. If I have a gun, what do I have to be paranoid about?" -Clint Smith
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Jeff Cooper
"Next year, the gun-prohibition lobby in Maryland will make a major push to ban self-loading firearms."
WOW...first guns cause violence...because they can pull their own trigger...now they've evolved into loading themselves.
Who writes this cr@p?
Time will tell. Remember the Y2K threat, and this year was suppose to be a really bad hurricane season? Time will tell.
I don't like the idea of my rights being at the whim of a bunch of suposedly pro-gun freshmen, who will be under pressure from a seasoned leadership like Pelosi, Kennedy, Feinstein, Schumer, Waxman, Waters, Jackson-Lee, Conyers, etc.
I hope they hang tuff, but the risk is high IMO. Their party owes HCI, Sarah Brady, George Soros and all of the other anti groups big time. These grops have supported their party for a long time and will expect some payback.
It could get worse after 08 with hillary as Pres. I am waiting to see who the Reps will put up. So far I have only heard that Juliani and McCain are interested in running. Juliani is a liberal and an anti. McCain has no core principles, and seems to do whatever he needs to to get in front of a camera.
Things may work out, or it may be bad. It's too soon to tell, but in my gut I don't like it.
We can forget any pro-gun legislation even coming up for a vote under this bunch, so the best we can hope for is to maintain, not gain.
I am concerned most over the future of the Supreme Court.
When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.
How do you like the subheading on that article ?
It should say, a little guy beats a big guy, if the little guy is well armed.
When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.
What does Slick Willy think the purpose of the Constitution is? I can't imagine what he thinks, but I think he summed it up pretty nicely: "to inhibit the government's ability to govern the people"!If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.- Bill Clinton
What a slimeball!
Presented just FYI
The equation has shifted and Democrats now are in control of both houses of congress.
They now control the House & the Senate.
The saving grace is that many of the Democrats who were elected this time 'round are decently to the right on gun and shooters rights.
I have the greatest hope that the Dem's that have been elected realize that the more liberal stance of the Clintonian leadership, does not reflect the majority populace.
I hope that moderates in both parties will carry the day and not let the left extreme, steam roll thorugh Congress
I think politicians are much about political survival. Given that, my expectation (hope) is that the more anti-gun Dems are going to back off, realizing they can't hold office or gain the Presidency in 08 if they start touting a liberal anti-gun agenda.
In that vein, I heard self-labeled libertarian Bill Mahr on Larry King voice just such the same idea. He effectively said, "Let them have their guns and marriage" - speaking of gun rights and those opposed to gay marriage.
I don't care much about the marriage issue as I don't think the State should be involved in it at all, much less dictating who can or cannot be married. But coming from someone who is an advocate for more gun control, this is at least something.
Politicians aren't generally stupid - power hungry yes - but not generally stupid. If they can lay off the liberal agenda of the far left, they have a chance to stay in power. If they don't, they risk loosing what they've gained.