Sandy Hook families bring emotion to gun debate

Sandy Hook families bring emotion to gun debate

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    Sandy Hook families bring emotion to gun debate

    They already have helped push through the nation's most restrictive firearms law, which Gov. Dannel P. Malloy, D-Conn., signed Thursday.

    Now they're trying to do the same in Washington, where gun legislation is facing tough resistance. Congress is returning from spring break, and Newtown, Conn., families plan to spend the coming week on Capitol Hill.

    Their goal of their personal appeals is to speak to every senator who has yet to express support for the gun legislation, and to show how the Dec. 14 shooting has affected their lives.
    Sandy Hook families bring emotion to gun debate - Houston Chronicle
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    And they are scheduled to be on “6o Minutes” after the basketball gang worship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    And they are scheduled to be on “6o Minutes” after the basketball gang worship.
    Newtown parents on assault weapons ban - CBS News
    "One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation."
    --Thomas B. Reed, American Attorney

    Second Amendment -- Established December 15, 1791 and slowly eroded ever since What happened to "..... shall not be infringed."

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    We are at the 80th % of where the Socialists in our Gov't can ride this whole thing, before even the Idiots in the Masses start to question them..............Just Sayin.

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    What they are really doing is turning the sympathy for their loss into indifference, at least for me anyway. Personally, I feel for them and heir loss, but their attempt to get every American to view it through there eyes is over the top IMO. The loss of a child is horrific and angers everyone, that's a given, but the type of monster that perpetrated the terrible act isn't as wide spread around our nation as some would have folks believe. Sure there are nuts all over the place, but I'm sure there are factors surrounding what perpetuates these types of acts of violence; the media being one of the most prevalent IMO. What some of these folks just don't understand is; I for one will defend my right to defend my family from anyone, just so something like what they have had to endure never happens to my loved ones.
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    In contrast to this is a New York Times artcle in my local newspaper today:

    Police: Take action during a mass attack

    For those of us on this forum the conclusions are what we already knew but surprising still that its being published in the liberal newspapers.

    Police: Take action during a mass attack - Worcester Telegram & Gazette - telegram.com

    "Research on mass shootings over the past decade has bolstered the idea that people at the scene of an attack have a better chance of survival if they take an active stance rather than waiting to be rescued by the police, who in many cases cannot get there fast enough to prevent the loss of life. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottabkiddin View Post
    What they are really doing is turning the sympathy for their loss into indifference, at least for me anyway. Personally, I feel for them and heir loss, but their attempt to get every American to view it through there eyes is over the top IMO. The loss of a child is horrific and angers everyone, that's a given, but the type of monster that perpetrated the terrible act isn't as wide spread around our nation as some would have folks believe. Sure there are nuts all over the place, but I'm sure there are factors surrounding what perpetuates these types of acts of violence; the media being one of the most prevalent IMO. What some of these folks just don't understand is; I for one will defend my right to defend my family from anyone, just so something like what they have had to endure never happens to my loved ones.
    Very well said, especially the part in bold. I have so much sympathy for these people who have lost the most important thing in their lives. It's unimaginable pain. But, they are coming from a place of pure emotion. No amount of facts, stats or common sense is going to make a dent: Their child was killed by a gun so if you ban guns, no more children will be killed.

    How are you going to argue with someone hurting, that there are a lot of other factors involved, without looking like a monster yourself?

    The anti's know this and are going to use it to their own advantage...probably for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Very well said, especially the part in bold. I have so much sympathy for these people who have lost the most important thing in their lives. It's unimaginable pain. But, they are coming from a place of pure emotion. No amount of facts, stats or common sense is going to make a dent: Their child was killed by a gun so if you ban guns, no more children will be killed.

    How are you going to argue with someone hurting, that there is a lot of other factors involved without looking like a monster yourself?

    The anti's know this and are going to use it to their own advantage...probably for years.
    Exactly! Thank you for adding that to the conversation, it is spot on IMO and a true reflection of what's happening in regards to the situation.
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    Emotion always trumps logic..for a while.
    When the emotional synapses of the brain settle down, the thinking man takes over; as it should be.

    This concept is well rendered and demonstrated by looking at the Sept 11 attacks.
    At first, everybody..and I mean every American was boiling hot. Going to war over something like this was not a question.
    Not long after, support for the war effort waned drastically as the memory of 911 began to fade.

    I know of no one who does not feel for those who were touched by the Newtown tragedy.
    To those who continually open the wound by displaying and (using) those directly involved is nothing short of disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottabkiddin View Post
    What they are really doing is turning the sympathy for their loss into indifference, at least for me anyway.
    Don't let it work. Sympathy for their loss is a good thing. Indifference is not. Hold on to that sympathy, and endeavour to reduce the likelihood that something like will happen again. Proactively. Not the same way they are, but you don't believe their efforts will help anyway. So, we need more people trying to actually help.
    The only acceptable long-term outcome is to find a cure. It's an actual solution, requiring forward-thinking efforts.

    Until then, we're just arguing about who's pushing who.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckQue View Post
    Don't let it work. Sympathy for their loss is a good thing. Indifference is not. Hold on to that sympathy, and endeavour to reduce the likelihood that something like will happen again. Proactively. Not the same way they are, but you don't believe their efforts will help anyway. So, we need more people trying to actually help.
    I understand what you are saying and for the most part I can understand where you are coming from.. My problem is when these poor souls start allowing themselves to be used as pawns to help forward a party's agenda, that's where the indifference starts to set in. The indifference comes naturally and is the fault, first and foremost the individuals taking advantage of the grief stricken parents. At some point though, the parents must realize that they are being manipulated and make a stand for what's morally right. Helping the wackos try to strip honest Americans of their God given rights to self defense and the tools used for that purpose is not, nor should it be their mission. thats just IMO of course, but also my opinion, it's certainly not the way to honer them. They are all victims of the shooting and so are millions of other Americans as well. We all feel the sorrow and pain for their loss, but on a much smaller scale. IMO, they should take the time to grieve for their losses and tell the media to get the hell outta their personal lives and allow the healing to begin and stop trying to dramatize these types of horrific crimes agains humanity. For those who would say, "But they have to cover it, it's the news". I say that's fine, but everytime I hear um say,"we were the first to bring you coverage of the story" I want to reach through the TV and choke the pooh outta someone responsible for that statement.

    Anyway... Sorry, for the rant, but that's how I feel on the subject. I appreciate and respect your thoughts on the matter..
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    Are any of the Newtown parent-victims in favor of armed security and against the nonsensical legislation passed in CT? Are any NRA members? If so we will not likely here their story!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottabkiddin View Post
    Anyway... Sorry, for the rant, but that's how I feel on the subject. I appreciate and respect your thoughts on the matter..
    I totally agree where the blame lies for the hardening of your heart. I'm just asking that you not let it happen, and that we all keep on struggling to reduce the likelihood of future incidents in ways that we find morally acceptable. Cheers.
    The only acceptable long-term outcome is to find a cure. It's an actual solution, requiring forward-thinking efforts.

    Until then, we're just arguing about who's pushing who.


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    I am not the most empathetic of individuals to begin with. People lose loved ones every day and these people's loss, though through horrific circumstances, is no greater than the loss felt by many others routinely. The sympathy that I have for these families ended when they started using it as an excuse to push an agenda upon me and is starting to turn towards animosity.

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    It clearly shows us exactly what kind of people we have for leaders in this country. When they will use any opportunity, especially a tragic event like the Sandy Hook shooting to further their political ambitions. They play on people's emotions to get them to react in a knee-jerk fashion to trade their freedoms for some imaginary security. The name of the game is to divide and conquer, play one group against the other. Our liberal leaders gleefully used this horrendous crime which incidentally came at the perfect point in time to wage their war against personal freedom. I am sure that if this incident never occurred that the people in power would have created one. As proof we only need to go back as far as the "Fast and Furious"campaign, which incidentally would have worked perfectly to incite the response they desire, but alas someone spilled the beans. It kind of makes you wonder how many similar types of schemes that were perpetrated that we didn't hear about.
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