2A - 6 Lies Senator Feinstein told on MSNBC (VIDEO)

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    2A - 6 Lies Senator Feinstein told on MSNBC (VIDEO)

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    4/12/13 | by S.H. Blannelberry

    ........In the eyes of many gun owners, Feinstein is public enemy number one and on Thursday, the squeaky gear senior senator from California took to the airwaves (as she has done for the past 30 years) to appear on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. The topic of discussion: Congress’s latest effort to reform the nation’s gun law and the interview lasted almost a full 12 minutes. But what struck us wasn’t the length, rather how much B.S.., misinformation Sen. Feinstein was able to fit in that short span of time.

    1. “We have a terrible regulatory system on these weapons.”
    2. “Can a terrorist currently buy a gun in this country? Yes. Can a felon? Yes.”
    3. “Weapons grow more and more sophisticated over time. And the kill power increases.”
    4. “These weapons are very attractive to people who want to remedy a grievance, who just want to kill.”
    5. “They’re not hunting weapons.”
    6. “Virtually every single poll done shows that Americans support a wide range of prudent gun regulation.”

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    Why would you expect in less from the great scholar from the state of confusion California

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    2. “Can a terrorist currently buy a gun in this country? Yes. Can a felon? Yes.”
    . And they still will no matter what laws you pass. We cannot, or in some cases will not stop human beings and drugs from pouring over the border, so why do we think guns would be stopped? Also, if you run a gang with connection in Mexico, you instantly have a much more lucrative revenue stream, as well as needing to arm your member.

    3. “Weapons grow more and more sophisticated over time. And the kill power increases.”
    . It's called technology. The compound bow is far better than the old time string bows of the past. Someone can steal more money with today's computers in seconds than Dillenger did in his entire career.

    4. “These weapons are very attractive to people who want to remedy a grievance, who just want to kill.”
    . People who want to kill always find a way. Do you think the abusive husband will not kill his estranged wife if he does not have a gun at hand?

    5. “They’re not hunting weapons.”
    . Depends on what you are hunting. For deer, elk, moose, or bear, definitely not. Small game, definitely yes.

    6. “Virtually every single poll done shows that Americans support a wide range of prudent gun regulation.”
    . That's a vague statement that means nothing. Ask Americans, should gang members be able to use guns? You'll get the 90+ percent no response. What is prudent to Dianne Feinstein or Secretary Jane in suburban New York, is idiotic feel good legislation to Store owner Ann in Phoenix.

    Regardless, to pretty much all Democrats and gun control activists, facts and reality are not part of the equation, it is purely about emotion and what they want, their totalitarian desires to tell everyone how they will live. Control, pure and simple.
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    Some thoughts ...

    1. “We have a terrible regulatory system on these weapons.”
    We do have a terrible regulatory/penal system. Nothing we've done legislatively has had much effect on stopping violence before it occurs. Its sweet spot is in punishing those caught for such things.

    That said, she's trying to leverage that poor record by twisting it to mean certain legislation could indeed help prevent things. Criminalizing murder/robbery/rape and all the rest hasn't halted such violent acts from happening. Criminalizing possession of this or that product won't either. That's the lie.

    2. “Can a terrorist currently buy a gun in this country? Yes. Can a felon? Yes.”
    She's right. Any felon knows that it's about as simple to buy a gun as it is drugs, in practically any town in the country, and certainly from the underground network of felons and their suppliers in every state.

    That said, she's implying closing the so-called "loop holes" in the statutes by criminalizing upstanding citizens is going to matter a damn with felons. That's the lie. It won't matter much, if at all. It'll just criminalize citizens, and felons will continue to acquire their weapons away from places where they're denied ... just as they always have.

    3. “Weapons grow more and more sophisticated over time. And the kill power increases.”
    She's right. They do keep getting better, as metallurgy, CNC and build techniques improve. Of course, with the "spray and pray" mentality, lack of training generally, and overall waning of firearms as part of our upbringing, as well as improvements in medical/trauma response, most injuries now aren't nearly as fatal as they once were. There's the lie.

    4. “These weapons are very attractive to people who want to remedy a grievance, who just want to kill.”
    She's right, again. Anyone who feels so aggrieved that it spawns murderous designs is going to think a deadly weapon is a fairly practical, "attractive" selection for remedying that situation. Felons have always thought so, whether a rock, tire iron, club, knife, firearm or whatever else will get the job done. But that hardly means what she implies, that the mere presence of guns promote murderous grievances and "just wanting" to kill. That's the lie.

    5. “They’re not hunting weapons.”
    They work very well as that, for many folks, as with any other firearm that is relatively accurate, penetrating, reliable. That's the lie.

    6. “Virtually every single poll done shows that Americans support a wide range of prudent gun regulation.”
    Who's poll? What design/method of polling? What questions, how crafted to avoid bias, how presented? Done by Johnnie's Pollmeisters Inc., Gallup, someone hired by the gun-grabbers for the task of proving the grabbers' false claims?

    That's the lie, as though spin-doctored questionnaires truly reflect a nation of 311M's views on liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post

    2. “Can a terrorist currently buy a gun in this country? Yes. Can a felon? Yes.”
    Why don't we just outlaw Terrorists instead? Oh, I know why - we would just create more felons and then they could still buy guns. What if the terrorists use felons to make straw purchases (maybe on the internet too, the absolute worse case scenario). My oh my. Let's get these laws implemented now so the rest of the Amerika can be as safe as San Francisco and Chicago.

    That's the ticket!

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    Lies? Some are true (1,2,3) and some may be true or half true (4,5,6), but I don't see any outright lies. Sorry.

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    Doin what a politician does best. Lie.

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    I am no Feinstein fan, but I think there are worse trespasses than this.

    1. The current regulatory system is pretty poor. Pretty much every federal system is pretty poor. The debate is how much we should be regulating firearms. We know Feinstein thinks its a 100% ban.

    2. "Yes" is a true statement. They can also get guns all over the world.

    3. Certainly today's top end rifles deliver more firepower that past rifles. You don't see too many armies still using black powder.

    4. True, but they're also used by us law abiding fellas the other 99.9% of the time.

    5. An AR or AK variant was not designed as a hunting rifle. People have pushed the AR into hunting. Notice the best hunting models stray away from the original design. The worst hunting models are Milspec, but it can be done. AK's are also pushed into hunting with even worse results. Sure it can be ethically done, but...

    6. True...when "virtually every poll" is done by liberal think tanks and universities. I do think an honest poll would word questions innocuously enough that most Americans would agree to "some gun control". We may know why to fight with that, but we also need to admit how much of America has their heads in the sand.

    Again, there are far worse things she's said. All this is semantics, and I'd rather spent my energy on worthwhile fights. At these comments, I only have enough energy to
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    Actually, almost each and every one of these statements, as quoted, is 100% true, but none of them are reasons to enact gun control measures. Allow me to demonstrate...

    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    1. “We have a terrible regulatory system on these weapons.”
    The regulatory system for firearms *is* terrible. It is overwrought and under enforced. It hinders the law abiding, and has no measurable effect on criminals.

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    2. “Can a terrorist currently buy a gun in this country? Yes. Can a felon? Yes.”
    Yes, both a terrorist and a felon can buy a gun in this country. They can't do it legally, so they buy them illegally. Making it *more* illegal will not impact that process one bit. It will only keep the law abiding folks from *legalky* buying them.

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    3. “Weapons grow more and more sophisticated over time. And the kill power increases.”
    This is just plainly true on the face of it. The AR-15 is much more sophisticated than the Kentucky long rifle, and its killing power has increased commensurately. Because of this the comparatively weak young woman who is being attacked by a big, strong rapist can be better equipped to defend herself.

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    4. “These weapons are very attractive to people who want to remedy a grievance, who just want to kill.”
    Also completely true on the face of it. When someone just wants to hurt someone, *ANY* weapon is attractive. They're attractive for exactly the same reasons that they're attractive for someone who wants to *prevent* someone from harming them.

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    5. “They’re not hunting weapons.”
    This *may* be true since I haven't read the article to know *precisely* which 'they' she was referring to.

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    6. “Virtually every single poll done shows that Americans support a wide range of prudent gun regulation.”
    Again, completely true. Virtually no one wants violent felons or dangerous paychopaths to have firearms. Feinstein simply isn't being specific about what 'virtually every single poll' has (and hasn't) said and/or asked about what people consider 'prudent gun control'. She just wants everyone to assume that *HER* definition is what 'everyone' agrees with.

    These quotes are textbook examples of misleading with the truth.

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    Everyone is missing the real issue. Joe finally brought up the REAL issue of Violence. It lasted for about 3 sentences and F went right back to her agenda. Par for the course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJD1968 View Post
    Everyone is missing the real issue. Joe finally brought up the REAL issue of Violence. It lasted for about 3 sentences and F went right back to her agenda. Par for the course.
    Nobody's missing it, I think. The liberty haters are clear in their meaning, and they occasionally do let slip that they appreciate the reality of crime prevention versus what they're doing. But so long as they can get the control they want, their lies and deceit are deemed acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixgun View Post
    Doin what a politician does best. Lie.
    Yep, her whole political approach to guns has been a lie. I think this is on her bucket list so she can feel good about herself. I think there's only two other states, Colorado and New York where the majority of the limosine Democrats are in agreement. We, the little people voices are awash in her sea of self fulling proficy. If I ever got rich I would go to California and plaster her lies all over TV and radio.
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