Federal concealed carry all 50 statess provision in bill?

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    Federal concealed carry all 50 statess provision in bill?

    Manchin-Toomey deal could allow gun owners, sellers to carry, sell across state lines | Fox News

    "Though many states have laws on buying firearms and concealed-carry permits, the federal provision, if adopted, could trump state laws.

    The amendment states the gun owner must have been granted the permit within the past five years. However, a handful of states routinely grant lifetime permits."

    In another article : Schumer Defends, Cuomo Attacks Manchin-Toomey Background Deal | New York Daily News

    "The compromise, for example, would allow people with concealed carry licenses in one state to carry their gun in a state without concealed carry laws while traveling."

    Seems ambiigious at this point what this means in practice? Does it just mean we can cross state lines concealed as long as we are just in our car? Or does it mean we can roam around concealed in other states? I don't know the language of this bill or how they define "traveling" Anybody with a better insight on this bill?

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    The issue of all permits being valid in all states was struck from the deal, according to the second article cited above. And I see no such language in the bill text.

    The only mention of concealed carry (or just carry) permits deals with an FFL processing the transfer between two non-licensees. If the FFL takes possession of the firearm, and the receiving party has a permit, then NICS check is not needed, as I read the text. There's some other qualifications to this, so that it will end up probably being ignored or irrelevant and full NICS will be done anyway.
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    I can already roam around concealed in about 40 states now. There is absolutely nothing good in the Toomey Bill especially now that Reid hooked amendments to it. If it passes we are sunk. Dont be fooled again by any of this malarkey.
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    DO NOT allow the Feds to overtake State issues on firearms legislation. It seems great, and I know some states are really bad (NY, NJ, CT, CA, CO to name a few) right now on 2A rights, however, do not allow the Feds to set yet another 'Interstate Commerce Clause = catch all of you' with this one.

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    .....The possible GOP amendments, described by aides and lobbyists, include one requiring states to recognize permits for carrying concealed weapons issued by other states. Many gun control advocates oppose the idea vehemently because some states' standards for issuing the permits are considered weak, and such a provision, if approved, might cause some to rethink support for the overall bill.

    .....Gun Owners of America, a gun rights group, used the same criticism against Coburn's idea Friday.

    "It basically sets the stage for a universal gun registry," said Mike Hammond, the group's legal counsel.


    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gop-...cks-no-records

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    The safest and most sane response to any gun law or regulation. Anything but repealing as much or all of what is already in place regulating guns is a not so polite, very loud, very serious NOOOOOOO. We stick to that eventually we might just get our rights back. Anything short of that we never will.
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    Don't be distracted by small facets of this legislation. If you look for "positives" you are the sucker at the table.
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    Looking for the "bright side" in new gun legislation is kind of like looking for the "bright side" in being mugged. You may only get your arm broken instead of your head, but either way you lost some of your money and got hurt! The best defense is unrelenting resistance, not compromise.
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    In a separate development Wednesday, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) announced the National Rifle Association will support a modified version of a proposal to create federal gun trafficking law against straw purchases of guns by legal buyers for people who are barred from purchase. Straw purchases are now subject only to states laws.
    I have to wonder where they come up with this BS. Making a false statement on the BATFE form 4473 is a Federal Offense, punishable by 10 years or $250,000.00 fine or both. Of course they don't prosecute for it, which is evident by their own statistic.

    It is a federal crime for felons and other prohibited gun purchasers to attempt to buy a gun. The (U.S.) Department of Justice, however, has not been prosecuting people who fail background checks at licensed gun dealers, leaving them free to buy from unlicensed sellers who don’t conduct checks – including largely anonymous Internet sales."

    The statement continued with a reference to one Department of Justice agency, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives (ATF), claiming:

    "In 2009, the Federal Bureau of Investigation referred more than 71,000 such cases to ATF, but U.S. attorneys ultimately prosecuted only 77 of them."
    PolitiFact Wisconsin | U.S. files criminal charges in fraction of gun denial cases, Mayors Against Illegal Guns says
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    Wake up call you are being had big time.
    This is a shell game, we will give you this but you have to go along with this.
    So you give in, as soon as the ink is dry, you are stuck with your part of the deal, but NY and a bunch of other State say NO and there will be nothing you can do to enforce it.
    But you will fall for it . It sounds reasonable and we can all agree .

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    From almost ( 99.9% ) all the new laws enacted in the recent past ( actually back to the NY Sullivan act ) and all those proposed for the future none of them are geared at the problem of CRIMINAL use of firearms.

    They are meant to restrict in any number of ways the ownership and use of firearms by law abiding citizens.

    Remember that criminals perform criminal acts and break the law by the very nature of their criminal activities.

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    I do not want the Federal Government involved in CCW permits at all. If they can grant all States CCW; then they can regulate it; then they can revoke it. It is just another strategy to establish precedents of law over the control of CCW nationwide.
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    Sounds a lot like obama care......"you won't know what's in it til you pass it". By then it's too late.
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    Paraphrasing an oft-repeated quote from an unknown student at Texas A&M: To look for the "bright side" in new gun legislation is to believe that it is possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post
    Federal concealed carry all 50 statess provision in bill?
    It's still lipstick on a pig. It's gun control, no matter what sexy little enticements are tossed in. I'm sure such things are put in there to attempt to appease those who see it for what it is: severe gun control, particularly when Reid et al get done with their round of amendments, alterations and monkeyshines.

    It is what it is. It is not what the liberty-haters are claiming it to be, despite such enticements.
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