2A and Right to Ammunition question

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    2A and Right to Ammunition question

    Although the Constitution states 'right to keep and bear arms', has there been any specific statement, clarification, Congressional law, or SCOTUS ruling that specifically states that gun owners also have a legal right of access to ammunition/bullets/powder?

    Or is that just assumed?

    Knowing how attorney's and legislators parse language, I would like to know if there is a specific clarification that 2A also provides individual rights to ammunition*. Or is that going to be the next battleground by gun control extremists...

    Does anyone know about this? Reference or link?

    *(I would hope at reasonable access (cost) but that's probably a fantasy. Napolitano is doing all she can with her Exec Branch Totalitarian Admin Agcy to drive up the prices of ammo - while arming the government to the point it can wipe out the citizenry many times over, at taxpayer's expense. )
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    The courts have already determined that 2A applies to the right to self defense. To prohibit ammunition would in all practicality violate that same right.
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    A firearm without ammo is a club. I dont think they can make a case for banning an intregal part of the functioning package. That would be like outlawing firepins. They will try to tax, limit, buy up, ban designs etc of ammo or anything else they can possibly get thru to weaken the citizens of this nation to a point they have no choice but to leave the country or be controlled completely.

    At the risk of sounding like a stuck recording. There is only one sensible answer to any gun law proposed and this answer is NO.
    As to the ones in force now. The only sensible effort to be made is repeal all or as much of them as possible asap.

    Anything else, any thinking that some regulation has a pro gun side to it short of total repeal of a existing regulation is to be fooled. Nothing like that will ever be proposed by politicians.

    Its not the purpose of gun laws to be pro gun, anti crime, etc... the end game and intent of any of them is disarmament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdynaco View Post
    Although the Constitution states 'right to keep and bear arms', has there been any specific statement, clarification, Congressional law, or SCOTUS ruling that specifically states that gun owners also have a legal right of access to ammunition/bullets/powder?
    Actually the terms "Arms" means the complete firearm with ammunition! If you study the history that led up to the 2nd amendment (the Founder's Second Amendment, you can find it on Amazon), King George and his minions tried to confiscate not only the muskets, but the supplies of powder and ball, aka the ammunition.

    Now if the POLs* try a ammunition "Tax", is there any difference between King George's Stamp Act and the placing of a tax on Ammunition and Firearms? Keep in mind they are pressing the issue with sales tax!

    * for those who liv in Rio Linda, POLs (pɒl) n. Informal. a politician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    The courts have already determined that 2A applies to the right to self defense. To prohibit ammunition would in all practicality violate that same right.
    Can you tell us which opinion from which court?

    I've actually a rather vague recollection of a MA law, probably during the immediate post colonial period,
    where this was litigated because the town fathers were concerned about powder causing a calamity. SO,
    they banned keeping it except in special storage--- I do not begin to recollect the specifics. I think
    it did go to court but I don't recall the ruling, however I think it went against those who wanted to keep
    powder in what was deemed an unsafe manner.

    I have no clue to what extent if any that episode may have influenced other decisions (if any on the matter)
    down through the years.

    Of course, nowadays we don't have the safety issue of black powder being stored in homes with whale oil
    lanterns and wood burning fireplaces, so I doubt a law would stand if the basis for it was fire safety.

    Bottom line, there is no predicting what will be done either by legislatures or by our courts. Everyone
    has an opinion, including them.
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    Herrington v. United States, DC Court of Appeals - limited holding that possession of ammo in home cannot be banned/criminalized where defendant has otherwise complied with gun registration requirements.

    This is not a huge leap after Heller. But in light of the current political climate today, who knows. One S. Ct. justice switch may change everything. Stare decisis doesn't mean much to judges that are outcome based.
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    Would a prohibition on ammunition infringe on your God given RKBA?

    Is it unconstitutional to infringe on the right of The People to keep and bear arms?

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