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    Sound & Look Familiar?

    Full Article: Drastic security changes coming to large-scale public events, experts say | Fox News

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    ..., adding that he would instead focus upon random searches, roving teams of investigators and hardened checkpoints.
    A fairly large number of people in these forums cry [Extremist} when some of us compare what is happening in our country to pre-Nazi Germany.
    Any of the above sound even a little familiar?
    Some go as far as calling us conspiracy junkies if we even suggest that such a bombing may have been conceived by those wishing to destroy this country
    by realizing such a heinous act will place further restrictions on ALL Americans. It happened following 9-1-1 and is happening again.

    1) Random Searches
    2) Roving teams of investigators
    3) Hardened checkpoints

    I am blown away and totally w/o understanding that some can not see this coming. Much of it is already here!
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    To me most of it is "knee jerk" reactions.

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    Precisely how it starts.
    "When those who are governed do too little, those who govern can, and will, do too much." Ronald Reagan

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    Okay. What's the alternative? Should we put out the welcome mat?

    Recently, we've suggested that we have armed teachers and security at schools... and some have used the Israeli model as an example... Israel has hardened checkpoints, roving teams of armed folks (serving their time, in the military reserve) not investigators... but still... And, some not-so-random searches...

    I think the Israelis are about as far from being Nazis as they can possibly be, wouldn't you agree?

    We are a nation, for whatever reason(s), that is now under attack by terrorists. Foreign and domestic. While we will never be 100% safe... even the Israelis are not... One of the primary reasons (constitutionally)for our Federal Government to exist is to provide protection against our enemies or if you will, "provide for the common defense".

    I realize that we could have done more at the federal level to assure we were safer without now resorting to hardened checkpoints within the country, random searches of our own citizenry, and roving police "investigators." But what are we to do now..? Our borders have been porous, our immigration policy somewhat lax, and we have always been a "melting pot."

    "They" walk among us.

    My responsibility is for my own safety. And, if I'm in a friendly mood, that of my brother and neighbor. I will not accept having my rights usurped by the government or it's minions, but the best way for me to avoid that is to stay away from the areas in which I am likely to find them actively "providing for the common defense." In the same way that I avoid stupid people, places, and things.

    And, if I should choose to go to a venue which is likely to be a target... I will accept their provision for the common defense, as long as they don't infringe on my rights. You see, I have my "papers." I have my license, I have my permit, I have my proof of insurance (if I'm driving)... And yet, I hear all this spouting of the infringement of rights and "papers please" and some of us insist on voter ID... "papers please" indeed.
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    There's nothing in that article that's not being done or shouldn't be done. The world has become a dangerous place, America is part of that world.

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    What I find disconcerting is that in the middle of terrorist attacks, this Socialist administration is trying to eradicate the Second Amendment & disarm the citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post

    Recently, we've suggested that we have armed teachers and security at schools... and some have used the Israeli model as an example... Israel has hardened checkpoints, roving teams of armed folks (serving their time, in the military reserve) not investigators... but still... And, some not-so-random searches...

    I think the Israelis are about as far from being Nazis as they can possibly be, wouldn't you agree?
    I love the Israeli people. Guess what? We are NOT Israel. I just love it when gasoline prices rose drastically and so many would say "Well; Great Britain's gas has been over $5 for years" As if that is supposed to console me and make me feel it is normality? I think not! We are NOT GB, we are not Israel..This is America.
    Keep reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    One of the primary reasons (constitutionally)for our Federal Government to exist is to provide protection against our enemies or if you will, "provide for the common defense".
    You are so right. And how has "our" government been doing? Hmmmmm. We have lost far more than we have gained. I hear it far too often.."Well sir, you have the freedom to post on the internet forums" Really? Seriously? The 1st amendment was one of the first to go. I can no longer speak my mind for fear of being charged with a hate crime. My words, not my acts will get me thrown in jail. This is an outrage!


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    I realize that we could have done more at the federal level to assure we were safer without now resorting to hardened checkpoints within the country, random searches of our own citizenry, and roving police "investigators." But what are we to do now..? Our borders have been porous, our immigration policy somewhat lax, and we have always been a "melting pot." "They" walk among us.
    You bet "they" walk among us. "They" started walking among us years ago.

    The solutions are NOT what anyone wants. We as free people are supposed to be ..wait for it..[TOLERANT]

    Inclined to tolerate the beliefs, practices, or traits of others; forbearing.

    Non-sense! Guess what tolerance got us? How about over 3,000 dead and two of our greatest buildings leveled.
    Attacked on American soil! Tolerance? This country was founded on Christian principles. 6,000 years ago these principles were well exercised in rooting out all sorts of evil.

    Tolerance? Bologna! I am sick to death of how we are all supposed to be tolerant of "other" lifestyles at the cost of American lives.

    You asked if we should put out the welcome mat? We did! And look what it got us as well as what we are reaping as a country.

    Sure, we have had some domestic terrorism, but not nearly as much as foreign.

    This government for years has been unwilling to summon the will to combat these attacks. No more than the so called "war on drugs."

    So rather than have the intestinal fortitude to do what is NECESSARY, they restrict the rights of Americans by casting a net so wide that we are ALL caught up in it!
    I refuse to allow my rights to be trampled in the name of security. To catch a few by catching millions is not the way to do this.

    I will close with one example and MY answer to this problem of terrorism that should have been addressed after 9-1-1.

    Every NON- U.S. Citizen of mid east descent must leave the country. Student visa? You are gone! Teaching professors? You are gone!
    Let's face it. For terror to be perpetrated, the individual must be visible. One can not cause destruction without moving among the people.
    Remove the person, the threat..and you have just eliminated a major problem from a particular people who come from a particular area of the planet that has been and continues to attack us.

    "Sorry world, but we have a really big problem now..when we get it under control we will let (some) of you return"

    Oh. Too extreme? Not tolerant? Is the idea any more extreme than 3,000 dead? Any more extreme than having the 1st amendment bastardized and molested in that no one can recognize it for what it once was?

    How many more Americans must die before we wake up and realize you don't keep putting up fences to keep the wolves from your flock; you kill the wolf.
    You don't shoot the wolf when it is in close proximity to your sheep and running wild; you will probably kill too many sheep in the attempt to kill the wolf.
    You don't make the fence perimeter smaller so you can see your sheep better; all that does is reduce the grazing area and the sheep suffer.

    Combating extreme violence requires extreme measures; something our representatives are unable or unwilling to do for fear of (world) opinion.

    Yes, we can defend ourselves. We can stop terrorism on our soil.
    All it requires is strength of will and people who have the courage to say (ENOUGH!)

    Lastly; domestic terrorism.

    We might start by actually enforcing the laws.
    Good grief! Our courts will allow 2 and 3 time DUI convicts to regain their drivers license to go out and kill more innocents.
    Found guilty of terrorism? No appeal..straight to the gallows..The public gallows!

    What can we do? Now you know.
    This country has been emasculated. It is time we as a people grow a pair!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightsEroding View Post
    I love the Israeli people. Guess what? We are NOT Israel. I just love it when gasoline prices rose drastically and so many would say "Well; Great Britain's gas has been over $5 for years" As if that is supposed to console me and make me feel it is normality? I think not! We are NOT GB, we are not Israel..This is America.
    Keep reading.



    You are so right. And how has "our" government been doing? Hmmmmm. We have lost far more than we have gained. I hear it far too often.."Well sir, you have the freedom to post on the internet forums" Really? Seriously? The 1st amendment was one of the first to go. I can no longer speak my mind for fear of being charged with a hate crime. My words, not my acts will get me thrown in jail. This is an outrage!




    You bet "they" walk among us. "They" started walking among us years ago.

    The solutions are NOT what anyone wants. We as free people are supposed to be ..wait for it..[TOLERANT]

    Inclined to tolerate the beliefs, practices, or traits of others; forbearing.

    Non-sense! Guess what tolerance got us? How about over 3,000 dead and two of our greatest buildings leveled.
    Attacked on American soil! Tolerance? This country was founded on Christian principles. 6,000 years ago these principles were well exercised in rooting out all sorts of evil.

    Tolerance? Bologna! I am sick to death of how we are all supposed to be tolerant of "other" lifestyles at the cost of American lives.

    You asked if we should put out the welcome mat? We did! And look what it got us as well as what we are reaping as a country.

    Sure, we have had some domestic terrorism, but not nearly as much as foreign.

    This government for years has been unwilling to summon the will to combat these attacks. No more than the so called "war on drugs."

    So rather than have the intestinal fortitude to do what is NECESSARY, they restrict the rights of Americans by casting a net so wide that we are ALL caught up in it!
    I refuse to allow my rights to be trampled in the name of security. To catch a few by catching millions is not the way to do this.

    I will close with one example and MY answer to this problem of terrorism that should have been addressed after 9-1-1.

    Every NON- U.S. Citizen of mid east descent must leave the country. Student visa? You are gone! Teaching professors? You are gone!
    Let's face it. For terror to be perpetrated, the individual must be visible. One can not cause destruction without moving among the people.
    Remove the person, the threat..and you have just eliminated a major problem from a particular people who come from a particular area of the planet that has been and continues to attack us.

    "Sorry world, but we have a really big problem now..when we get it under control we will let (some) of you return"

    Oh. Too extreme? Not tolerant? Is the idea any more extreme than 3,000 dead? Any more extreme than having the 1st amendment bastardized and molested in that no one can recognize it for what it once was?

    How many more Americans must die before we wake up and realize you don't keep putting up fences to keep the wolves from your flock; you kill the wolf.
    You don't shoot the wolf when it is in close proximity to your sheep and running wild; you will probably kill too many sheep in the attempt to kill the wolf.
    You don't make the fence perimeter smaller so you can see your sheep better; all that does is reduce the grazing area and the sheep suffer.

    Combating extreme violence requires extreme measures; something our representatives are unable or unwilling to do for fear of (world) opinion.

    Yes, we can defend ourselves. We can stop terrorism on our soil.
    All it requires is strength of will and people who have the courage to say (ENOUGH!)

    Lastly; domestic terrorism.

    We might start by actually enforcing the laws.
    Good grief! Our courts will allow 2 and 3 time DUI convicts to regain their drivers license to go out and kill more innocents.
    Found guilty of terrorism? No appeal..straight to the gallows..The public gallows!

    What can we do? Now you know.
    This country has been emasculated. It is time we as a people grow a pair!
    Okay, so let's take a look at mass bombings in US history... a list conveniently presented by QK Shooter in another thread. For this discussion, I've highlighted the foreign national responsibility in red:

    April 15, 2013: Two bombs explode in the packed streets near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, killing three people and injuring more than 140.


    Jan. 17, 2011: A backpack bomb is placed along a Martin Luther King Day parade route in Spokane, Wash., meant to kill and injure participants in a civil rights march, but is found and disabled before it can explode. White supremacist Kevin Harpham is convicted and sentenced to 32 years in federal prison.


    May 1, 2010: Pakistani immigrant Faisal Shahzad leaves an explosives-laden SUV in New York's Times Square, hoping to detonate it on a busy night. Street vendors spot smoke coming from the vehicle and the bomb is disabled. Shahzad is arrested as he tries to leave the country and is sentenced to life in prison.


    Dec. 25, 2009: The so-called "underwear bomber," Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, is subdued by passengers and crew after trying to blow up an airliner heading from Paris to Detroit using explosives hidden in his undergarments. He's sentenced to life in prison. But note: the flight originated in Paris. He may never have been a resident of the US. (I don't know.)


    Sept. 11, 2001: Four commercial jets are hijacked by 19 al-Qaida militants and used as suicide bombs, bringing down the two towers of New York City's World Trade Center and crashing into the Pentagon. Nearly 3,000 people are killed in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.


    Jan 22, 1998: Theodore Kaczynski pleads guilty in Sacramento, Calif., to being the Unabomber in return for a sentence of life in prison without parole. He's locked up in the federal Supermax prison in Colorado for killing three people and injuring 23 during a nationwide bombing spree between 1978 and 1995.


    July 27, 1996: A bomb explodes at Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta during the Summer Games, killing two people and injuring more than 100. Eric Robert Rudolph is arrested in 2003. He pleads guilty and is sentenced to life in prison.


    April 19, 1995: A car bomb parked outside the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City kills 168 people and injures more than 500. It is the deadliest U.S. bombing in 75 years. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols are convicted. McVeigh is executed in 2001 and Nichols is sentenced to life in prison.


    Feb. 26, 1993: A bomb in a van explodes in the underground World Trade Center garage in New York City, killing six people and injuring more than 1,000. Five extremists are eventually convicted.


    Dec. 29, 1975: A bomb hidden in a locker explodes at the TWA terminal at New York's LaGuardia Airport, killing 11 people and injuring 75. Palestinian, Puerto Rican and Croatian groups are suspected, but no arrests are made.


    Jan. 29, 1975: The U.S. State Department building in Washington, D.C., is bombed by the radical left group Weather Underground. No one is killed.


    Jan. 24, 1975: A bomb goes off at historic Fraunces Tavern in New York City, killing four people. It was one of 49 bombings attributed to the Puerto Rican nationalist group FALN between 1974 and 1977 in New York. Were they citizens?


    Aug. 6, 1974: A bomb goes off at Los Angeles International Airport, killing three people and injuring 36. Muharem Kurbegovic, a Yugoslavian national who became known as the "Alphabet Bomber," is convicted.


    Jan. 27, 1972: A bomb wrecks the New York City office of impresario Sol Hurok, who had been booking Soviet artists. One person is killed and nine are injured, Hurok among them. A caller claiming to represent Soviet Jews claims responsibility, but no arrests are made.


    March 1, 1971: The Senate wing of the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, D.C., is bombed by the radical left group Weather Underground. No one is killed.


    Sept. 16, 1963: Four black girls are killed in a bombing at Birmingham, Ala.'s Sixteenth Street Baptist Church. Years later, juries convicted three Ku Klux Klansmen and one suspected accomplice died without ever having been charged. One of the four is still in prison and the others are dead.


    1951-56: George Metesky, a former Consolidated Edison employee with a grudge against the company, sets off a series of blasts at New York landmarks, including Grand Central station and Radio City Music Hall. No one is killed. Known as The Mad Bomber, Metesky spends 16 years in a mental hospital.


    May 18, 1927: 45 people – 38 of them children – are killed when a school district treasurer, Andrew Kehoe, lines the Bath Consolidated School near Lansing, Mich., with hundreds of pounds of dynamite, and blows it up. Investigators say Kehoe, who also died in the blast, thought he would lose his farm because he couldn't pay property taxes used to build the school.


    Sept. 16, 1920: A bomb explodes in New York City's Wall Street area, killing 40 and injuring hundreds. Authorities conclude it was the work of "anarchists" and come up with a list of suspects, but all flee to Russia.


    Oct. 1, 1910: The Los Angeles Times building is dynamited during a labor dispute, killing 20 people. Two leaders of the ironworkers union plead guilty.


    May 4, 1886: A bomb blast during a labor rally at Chicago's Haymarket Square kills 11 people, including seven police officers, and injures more than 100. Eight "anarchists" are tried for inciting riot. Four are hanged, one commits suicide and three win pardons after seven years in prison.
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    So, given that there were 21 mass bombings... 2/3 were committed by 'Mericuns... one third (giving the "benefit of the doubt" to the questionable ones) caused by them ferriners. Let's not talk about the murders, mass and otherwise, perpetrated by the Good ol' Boys in the South back in the day.... Proud 'Mericuns all.

    Let's not fergit that most of us good ol' white folk have more ferrin blood in us than 'Merican.... after all, we aren't a nation of natives now, are we...

    Your arguments simply don't hold water. 'neath the surface, there's a bit of leakage... Perhaps not as bad as the Titanic... but still... those in your boat may soon sink.
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    [QUOTE=oakchas;27061
    Let's not fergit that most of us good ol' white folk have more ferrin blood in us than 'Merican.... after all, we aren't a nation of natives now, are we...

    Your arguments simply don't hold water. 'neath the surface, there's a bit of leakage... Perhaps not as bad as the Titanic... but still... those in your boat may soon sink.[/QUOTE]
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    Someone has failed to do some simple addition. 3000 compared to ummm...remind again of your numbers.
    Unlike the US citizens who perpetrated these sick acts...we now have a sworn and identifiable enemy of the U.S. who have clearly stated their goal as it relates to us.

    And yes...those in my boat are sinking as demonstrated by the current state of affairs.
    When talk of adopting a legal system meant to replace the one we have, founded many years past....Yes...we a are sinking.

    I've heard your argument before. It's that tolerance argument again stated by the socialists.
    It's dangerous and we see and feel it's effects now more than ever.

    I believe I stated the problem with domestic terrorism but I guess someone missed that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightsEroding View Post
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    Someone has failed to do some simple addition. 3000 compared to ummm...remind again of your numbers.
    Unlike the US citizens who perpetrated these sick acts...we now have a sworn and identifiable enemy of the U.S. who have clearly stated their goal as it relates to us.

    And yes...those in my boat are sinking as demonstrated by the current state of affairs.
    When talk of adopting a legal system meant to replace the one we have, founded many years past....Yes...we a are sinking.

    I've heard your argument before. It's that tolerance argument again stated by the socialists.
    It's dangerous and we see and feel it's effects now more than ever.

    I believe I stated the problem with domestic terrorism but I guess someone missed that too.

    Now, you want to go with body count rather than acts of terrorism...

    "We be of the same blood, ye and I." We agree on many things.... And, while I understand your position, I can't come into complete alignment with it. The foundation, the history, don't hold up.

    So, I'll give up. If you want to continue the discussion with me... do so thru PMs.
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    OP I've shared your view and your answer to the middle eastern problem for a long time. The day after 9-11 I carried to work for the first time in a long long time.

    I can't divulge here what else I was feeling. Five points is enuf.
    Suffice to say my feelings to all of them minus Massad Ayoob has been show them the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NONAME762 View Post
    OP I've shared your view and your answer to the middle eastern problem for a long time. The day after 9-11 I carried to work for the first time in a long long time.

    I can't divulge here what else I was feeling. Five points is enuf.
    Suffice to say my feelings to all of them minus Massad Ayoob has been show them the door.
    It is so interesting to me how divided this country is.

    OAKCHAS is completely within his right as a American to his opinion. I and you are within ours; yet a deep divide continues to widen in this country.
    We need to ask ourselves why.

    What you posted is a prime example of how our 1st amendment has been shot down the toilet. Many of us here; perhaps all of us; including myself are afraid to speak or write what we feel in our hearts to be true for fear of reprisal or a knock at our door. Yet, some groups seem to enjoy special treatment, entitlements and protections not afforded U.S citizens.

    What a shame these discussions need to take place in back rooms. Because of this fear and the ongoing internal strife of freedoms being discussed; I fear bad times ahead.

    Thanks for your comments.
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    Damn near prophetic wasn't I in my solution?


    Addendum:
    the suspects, tamerlan tsarnaev, 26, and dzhokhar tsarnaev, 19, are ethnic chechens who came to the u.s. From russia about a decade ago as refugees and were granted asylum, a law enforcement official said.
    Full article: LA Times
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    I don't understand !!

    First you post an opinion from a guy that never made colonel for a reason second he makes his living selling fear to politicians.

    Life is not safe. People must realize that life has risks. Why not look at bombings just like car wrecks. You jump in your car knowing the risks and drive. Life is the same way.

    Sure we can go into code black and be paralized with fear and give up our rights just as we did with the Patriot act,TSA, DHS etc. How does taking nail clippers away from people make them feel safe on an airplane?

    A foreign country thought this guy was dangerous our own FBI looked at him two years ago and then never looked again. Did they think he would get better if they ignored him? We have become so politically correct we have no chance of stopping these kinds of nuts. Accept the risk and move on without giving up another constitutional right.

    For those that keep bringing up Germany and the Hitler movement to power we are not Germany Nixon left the white house because the constitution works. President Obama is stumped because the constitution works.

    If you keep this fear mongering up you will reap the reward of a police state just what you seem to want.

    The sky is not falling write that on the blackboard 100 times before lunch.

    Respectfully,

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    What we need as a country is to be proactive instead of reactive. All of the legal visitors are just that, visitors. If someone comes into my house and acted dumb, dangerous or spiteful, I would show them the door. No one other than a US citizen has the right to be here. As a country we treat visitors in the same manner that we treat our citizens and oftimes better. The ripple effect has been for citizens to begin to feel slightly frazzeled in the view of our government. When we talk about limiting visitors the talk immediately turns to the great things and people who have immigrated to this country. We hear the same old melting pot allusion. Guess what, the pot is full, running over and making a mess on the stove. Time to clean up the mess and throw out the garbage.
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