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    How the Media Blew the Gun Control Debate.......

    With the total and complete defeat of gun control legislation late Wednesday afternoon, the media learned something they had obviously forgotten since pushing Obama over the reelection finish line: They do not run the country.
    How the Media Blew the Gun Control Debate
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    They (the "media") also forget: they are not the mouthpiece for temporarily-hired staff who help us govern ourselves. They are "the great levelers," the reporters of truth, helping to hold the elected few accountable to the People.

    So long as they fail to remember that simple mission, they'll continue to blow their whole existence and purpose for being "media."

    And so long as they fail to hold our temporarily-elected few accountable by forcing transparency, forcing truthfulness, forcing lies and deceit out into the open, they're merely serving to prop up autocracy and tyranny in the making.

    Any number of countries have blown it in this regard, over the centuries, and invariably when the governing few cannot be held to account then there's hell to pay by the People.
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    I like, and agree with, the diagnosis and conclusions in the article. However... I almost wish we wouldn't write stories like this that allow the "other" side to see how they dropped the ball. Even though I beleive their cluelessness runs very deep, there are some of them that are capable of learning from their mistakes, and modifying their tactics to be more successful. We certainly don't need to make it any harder for our cause!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vilecanards View Post
    I like, and agree with, the diagnosis and conclusions in the article. However... I almost wish we wouldn't write stories like this that allow the "other" side to see how they dropped the ball. Even though I believe their cluelessness runs very deep, there are some of them that are capable of learning from their mistakes, and modifying their tactics to be more successful. We certainly don't need to make it any harder for our cause!
    True enough..... But we also learn from our victory's ........ Now that we have the offense it is time for us to push even harder......... This fight we are in, unfortunately, looks like it will be a never ending one.......
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    So, Social Security is 'not' the third rail of politics afterall...................................... BWAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAA! The Media Morons are Tools!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    ........ Now that we have the offense it is time for us to push even harder.........
    In the movie "Patton" G C Scott has a great line when asked if retreat and regroup might be a good option.

    He replied "I don't like paying for the same real estate twice"

    I agree with Crowman, the enemy is on the run, we, the NRA/ILA and all lovers of liberty need to push "them" past the river, disarm "them" and never allow them to attempt such a attack again! Then (WE) occupy the land!
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    I believe the media were their own worst enemy. Day after day they kept on telling the tens of millions of law abiding gun owners how it was them who were responsible for the Sandy Hook shooting, and it was there guns that were causing all of the
    Gun violence in America.

    I don't think they realized how badly they offended so many Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    I believe the media were their own worst enemy. Day after day they kept on telling the tens of millions of law abiding gun owners how it was them who were responsible for the Sandy Hook shooting, and it was there guns that were causing all of the Gun violence in America.

    I don't think they realized how badly they offended so many Americans.


    Patsies.

    If it were only unwitting patsies, it wouldn't be so bad. But I suspect it's far worse. As an industry, by and large they've either (a) they've swallowed the lies and deceit hook, line and sinker, or (b) they are deliberately playing the role of Chief Pap Disseminators in order to push political agendas.

    I remember the "Five o'clock Follies" during the Vietnam War, when the media pushed the "party line" every evening on the news, and so very much was taken on faith as the truth. This past several months, with respect to the gun-grabbing push, it has been little different.

    I'd like to think it's mere incompetence, that the bulk of them are simply unthinking, uncaring boobs who won't do their research and take the time to assimilate the information and realize its worth and context. Given the wide-open nature of communications, these days, that's not unlikely in some cases. But I fear it's far, far worse, that many of them simply are willing patsies, deliberately pushing what they should easily appreciate is a smear campaign, politically spun and directed, an agenda unconstitutional at its core.

    What a mess.

    DO YOUR JOBS, media: keep the watchdog role alive and well; do your research; know the enemy; given the political realities and potential threat of any such messaging coming from the governing few, question everything and run all claims/leads to ground before promoting it as fact. Do this, so that we can force our political hirelings' feet to the fire in order to ensure they do their jobs while committing the least possible damage in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post


    Patsies.

    If it were only unwitting patsies, it wouldn't be so bad. But I suspect it's far worse. As an industry, by and large they've either (a) they've swallowed the lies and deceit hook, line and sinker, or (b) they are deliberately playing the role of Chief Pap Disseminators in order to push political agendas.

    I remember the "Five o'clock Follies" during the Vietnam War, when the media pushed the "party line" every evening on the news, and so very much was taken on faith as the truth. This past several months, with respect to the gun-grabbing push, it has been little different.

    I'd like to think it's mere incompetence, that the bulk of them are simply unthinking, uncaring boobs who won't do their research and take the time to assimilate the information and realize its worth and context. Given the wide-open nature of communications, these days, that's not unlikely in some cases. But I fear it's far, far worse, that many of them simply are willing patsies, deliberately pushing what they should easily appreciate is a smear campaign, politically spun and directed, an agenda unconstitutional at its core.

    What a mess.

    DO YOUR JOBS, media: keep the watchdog role alive and well; do your research; know the enemy; given the political realities and potential threat of any such messaging coming from the governing few, question everything and run all claims/leads to ground before promoting it as fact. Do this, so that we can force our political hirelings' feet to the fire in order to ensure they do their jobs while committing the least possible damage in the process.

    it is far worse. Many of them believe exactly what is being spewed and believe it to the core and thus say it with so much conviction that other people believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmgopher View Post
    it is far worse. Many of them believe exactly what is being spewed and believe it to the core and thus say it with so much conviction that other people believe it.
    Yup. When they take it as their own opinion and bandy it about as such, they're becoming deliberate co-conspirators.

    When merely duped and failing to do their responsibility and job as reporters and bloodhounds, they're failing utterly.

    Pretty bad, no matter how you slice it.
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    They would like to think they do. Most of the media think that we, the public, are ignorant on all topics and it is their job to educate us. Just watch an episode of your local news and notice how they talk down to their audience. This is why I quit watching the nightly news years ago.

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    What, I believe, is one important fact that the media truly does not understand: The NRA is NOT just some gun lobby, the NRA is PEOPLE!

    When the media 'go after' the NRA and attempts to make the NRA the evil entity that has helped to facilitate these recent shootings it's personal to ME, and any other law-abiding, clear thinking NRA member. And I don't like it, to put it mildly.

    A couple days ago in our local liberal rag the cartoonist, Joel Pett, published a cartoon titled "The NRA Issue Marathon Gear"

    The cartoon showed a 'number' 'jersey' 'shoes' 'monitor' and then a backpack that was ticking, with nails and a fuse and it was labeled 'your own personal backpack bomb (self-defense only).'

    The media, I believe, has pooped in its own yard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8th ID View Post
    A couple days ago in our local liberal rag the cartoonist, Joel Pett, published a cartoon titled "The NRA Issue Marathon Gear"

    The cartoon showed a 'number' 'jersey' 'shoes' 'monitor' and then a backpack that was ticking, with nails and a fuse and it was labeled 'your own personal backpack bomb (self-defense only).'
    Sounds like libel to me, if only it weren't clearly cartoon satire. 'Cause, clearly, you, I and millions of other NRA members did not issue or spec anyone a damned thing who was involved in those murders.

    It is personal, not some impersonal jab at a "lobby."

    And the media's failings in its job to be the bloodhounds and sleuths in digging for the truth is also personal, a huge personal blot on their records and their honor as "newsmen." They could so easily be better than that, if only they found their honor again.
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    Excellent article, well worth reading.

    Thanks for posting the link, Crowman.

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    The media blew the debate by being wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by 8th ID View Post
    The cartoon showed a 'number' 'jersey' 'shoes' 'monitor' and then a backpack that was ticking, with nails and a fuse and it was labeled 'your own personal backpack bomb (self-defense only).
    That is sick. It would have been at least accurate had it been titled, "Peaceful Muslim" gather than NRA.

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