The real reasons the Senate trounced the Obama gun control agenda

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    The real reasons the Senate trounced the Obama gun control agenda

    Manchin-Toomey was rushed together on a political timetable, and a thorough scrub would have revealed that its finer legal points aren't as modest as liberals claim. Tellingly, the White House blew up earlier negotiations with Tom Coburn on background checks. The Oklahoma Republican favored more and better checks across secondary firearms markets like gun shows and online, but liberals insisted that federally licensed dealers had to keep records.

    In other words, keeping guns away from dangerous or unstable people was less important than defeating the NRA

    People who cling to their guns, or merely to the Constitution, aren't part of the coalition that Mr. Obama believes re-elected him, and his mistake was thinking they would simply dissolve into history's rearview mirror in his new progressive era. Mr. Obama was routed this week because he tried to govern from the left and thus played into the hands of the NRA. If the Newtown families want someone to blame, they can start with the President.
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    So-called crime control without a hope of stopping crime. The way it went down was shameful, spiteful and arrogant in the extreme, believing they could pull the wool over everyone's eyes in a moment of politically-inspired witch hunting that had zero to do with preventing crime.

    Suggestion to our temporarily-hired staff (aka, congressmen): how about focusing on crime control, violent criminal elimination, and constitutional steps that don't dump on all citizens in the vain hope it'll somehow, magically trickle down to the odd criminal here and there (that is, if criminals would only follow the new paper prohibitions while they go about their banned murders, robberies, rapes, kidnappings, ...)? How 'bout that, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    In other words, keeping guns away from dangerous or unstable people was less important than defeating the NRA
    BINGO!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post

    People who cling to their guns, or merely to the Constitution, aren't part of the coalition that Mr. Obama believes re-elected him, and his mistake was thinking they would simply dissolve into history's rearview mirror in his new progressive era. Mr. Obama was routed this week because he tried to govern from the left and thus played into the hands of the NRA.
    Your "critical thinking" skills are excellent; it has also been my view that, since his reelection, Mr. Obama has been demonstrating the delusion that he was given permission to move all the way to the Left. Here in Oz, we are struggling under "Queen" Gillard who, despite NOT being chosen resoundingly by the people, nevertheless governs from this delusion. To both, it seems, it is literally inconceivable to them that there is a large group (not a "vocal minority") that views the world VERY differently; and they are being defeated (Gillard is tipped to lose this year) by CITIZENS. That's our job :)
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    ALL Obama has surrounding him is the elite left, Hollywood, and YES men and women, and almost ALL of the media.
    AS has already been pointed out elsewhere:

    WHY didn't Obama throw a fit over gun control after Aurora? Because there was an election on the horizon. There's another election on the horizon in 2014, and that's why some of his own Democrats didn't stand with him. I guess it's OK for him to want to keep his job, but not the others of his own party. AND where is the Newtown father who lost a 6 year old son? Why didn't he get his say in Washington? OH yeah, he was AGAINST gun control. So, he was silenced. NICE! I guess the pain he suffered doesn't matter. Doesn't he have enough 'skin in the game' to warrant an opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8th ID View Post
    AND where is the Newtown father who lost a 6 year old son? Why didn't he get his say in Washington?
    To be fair about this, perhaps he was invited and he declined, as disagreeing with Mr. Obama's premise. Certainly if Ms. Feinstein invited me to stand behind her at a rally, I would decline.
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    Well, you know those NRA types................ They are just running around the third world, or Chicago or Boston, blowin stuff up. We should just ignore and use the MSM to marganalize them.................

    How dare they actually care for their fellow Citizens of the US......................... To heck with 'em!
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    When the democrats hate something (i.e. the NRA) and want to destroy it - then by God we better get behind it! I'm a firm believer in supporting the NRA.

    Our 2nd Amendment rights are our last line of defense. All of us probably disagree on different issues like immigration, abortion, gay marriage.

    But the one thing WE MUST stay united on is supporting our RKBA and supporting our biggest champion, the NRA.

    Remember this: When a government fears its people there is freedom! When a people fear their government there is tyranny.

    It seems obvious at the present time the government still has some level of fear of the people. What they are attempting to do in the long run is eliminate that residual fear so they can have complete control.

    American people are a bit "over-tolerating" but will not sit idly by and be stripped of their freedom. I sense this bunch in Washington has lead itself into a false feeling of security in which they mistakenly believe they can subjugate the people.

    Wrong! They are nearing a point where they will get a lesson in what America is all about. I say, Let them keep up their liberal rhetoric. Let them keep pushing anti-gun legislation. The 2014 mid-term elections are coming up. They will get voted out, unless they come from a safe zone like San Fran Nan.

    Americans have choked on this and have taken about as much of this malarchy as they can tolerate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    Remember this: When a government fears its people there is freedom! When a people fear their government there is tyranny.

    It seems obvious at the present time the government still has some level of fear of the people. What they are attempting to do in the long run is eliminate that residual fear so they can have complete control.

    American people are a bit "over-tolerating" but will not sit idly by and be stripped of their freedom.

    They are nearing a point where they will get a lesson in what America is all about.

    I hope we're at the point where we, the People, are delivering an unmistakable message of advanced citizenship to those who would force us to be subjects, subject to tyrannical acts. Let them fear rousing the sleeping dragon that is a righteously enraged and determined citizenry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    When the democrats hate something (i.e. the NRA) and want to destroy it - then by God we better get behind it! I'm a firm believer in supporting the NRA.

    Our 2nd Amendment rights are our last line of defense. All of us probably disagree on different issues like immigration, abortion, gay marriage.

    But the one thing WE MUST stay united on is supporting our RKBA and supporting our biggest champion, the NRA.

    Remember this: When a government fears its people there is freedom! When a people fear their government there is tyranny.

    It seems obvious at the present time the government still has some level of fear of the people. What they are attempting to do in the long run is eliminate that residual fear so they can have complete control.

    American people are a bit "over-tolerating" but will not sit idly by and be stripped of their freedom. I sense this bunch in Washington has lead itself into a false feeling of security in which they mistakenly believe they can subjugate the people.

    Wrong! They are nearing a point where they will get a lesson in what America is all about. I say, Let them keep up their liberal rhetoric. Let them keep pushing anti-gun legislation. The 2014 mid-term elections are coming up. They will get voted out, unless they come from a safe zone like San Fran Nan.

    Americans have choked on this and have taken about as much of this malarchy as they can tolerate.

    DON'T GIVE AN INCH.
    Just a gentle reminder that all Democrats don't hate the NRA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene83 View Post
    Just a gentle reminder that all Democrats don't hate the NRA.
    Just 90%, right?

    Hey, why can't WE make up stats and repeat them until they are known facts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    Just 90%, right?

    Hey, why can't WE make up stats and repeat them until they are known facts?
    Because that would make us liberals.

    Funny word, liberal. From the Latin "Liberate' " meaning "to free."

    As they like to say, times change. Now liberal means "to shackle."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    When the democrats hate something (i.e. the NRA) and want to destroy it - then by God we better get behind it! I'm a firm believer in supporting the NRA.

    Our 2nd Amendment rights are our last line of defense. All of us probably disagree on different issues like immigration, abortion, gay marriage.

    But the one thing WE MUST stay united on is supporting our RKBA and supporting our biggest champion, the NRA.

    Remember this: When a government fears its people there is freedom! When a people fear their government there is tyranny.

    It seems obvious at the present time the government still has some level of fear of the people. What they are attempting to do in the long run is eliminate that residual fear so they can have complete control.

    American people are a bit "over-tolerating" but will not sit idly by and be stripped of their freedom. I sense this bunch in Washington has lead itself into a false feeling of security in which they mistakenly believe they can subjugate the people.

    Wrong! They are nearing a point where they will get a lesson in what America is all about. I say, Let them keep up their liberal rhetoric. Let them keep pushing anti-gun legislation. The 2014 mid-term elections are coming up. They will get voted out, unless they come from a safe zone like San Fran Nan.

    Americans have choked on this and have taken about as much of this malarchy as they can tolerate.

    DON'T GIVE AN INCH.
    I made a hefty contribution last week to the NRA and would like to thank them for their continued support of the constitution and our freedoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    Just 90%, right?

    Hey, why can't WE make up stats and repeat them until they are known facts?
    Sadly, it's probably better than 90%. It ain't the party my dad and granddaddy belonged to. Sadly, I now find that I describe myself as a Democrat with a strong Independent streak.
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