Gun Violence - What is that?

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    When people read this story, no one blames the hammer. However, if instead of a hammer, it was a different object... a firearm... people then blame the gun. Why? Some will say, guns are more dangerous... you can do more harm with a gun. Well, his victims are dead. I don't know how to achieve more harm than that. Others will say, it's easier to commit these crimes with a gun. Is it? Over 90% of all violent crime in this country does not involve a firearm at all. Then others will say, you can achieve more mass killings with a gun – look at what has happened in all the mass killings with assault weapons. Is that accurate? The latest statistics we have are from 2011, and each year the numbers are about the same. In 2011 there were 323 people murdered with rifles in this country. Now keep in mind that is all rifles, “assault weapons" are a subset of those.” The FBI does not break down that data, but those murdered by “assault weapons” are measurably less. During that same time, 728 people were murdered by hands and feet. That does not include those that were murdered by clubs and hammers. And over 5 times as many were murdered by knives or cutting instruments.

    So if all guns are used in less than 10% of all violent crimes, and all assault weapons murder less than half of those that are murdered by just hands and feet, not to mention clubs, hammers and knives, why is there all this dialog about, “gun violence”? Why in an identical murder case, people want to blame (i.e., legislate, control, outlaw, or just plain vilify) the object only when it's a gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEF View Post
    Because gun control is a proxy battlefield in a war of political ideologies.
    What he said!
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    I have never seen a violent gun.
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    "Gun violence" is a term used to undermine the 2nd Amendment.

    It is a political instrument, no more or less.

    However, should the Socialists succeed with their agenda, the term could be given a different, but highly accurate, new meaning.
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    We have all been lied to. Some have accepted those lies as the truth, while others did their own research. The single greatest tool that has facilitated these lies has been a well choreographed emotional manipulation, and that emotional manipulation is most effective when tied to a horrific event like Sandy Hook.

    There was one parent in particular of a Sandy Hook student that was very vocal in his opposition toward any gun control - he was quickly silenced. The manner in which those parents and surviving students were manipulated and paraded around like puppets of a political agenda was unconscionable.
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    I'll meet anyone in the open field with a hammer-to-hammer contest, and I'll expect to get a little bloody. So be it. But, I will use a blunt force object to protect myself and my family and friends!

    But, however, currently I perfer to just sit back and practice good sight alingment and trigger pull................... Let the J-A sling a hammer. But the times they are a changin...........................

    Your gov't masters will not play fair in a hammer-to-hammer engagement, as they are slowely, and ever so slowely, making sure that they take your hammer, keep theirs, and you only have a stick.

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    Just saying...................
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    Gun Violence = a derogatory term used by the “news” media and the government to villainize an object rather than the criminal using it.
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    There is very little truth in our modern culture. Terms like 'gun violence' deceive those who aren't paying attention and don't care to think objectively.
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    The answer is simple......

    Violence is the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against a person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation. This definition associates intentionality with the committing of the act itself, irrespective of the outcome it produces.

    If the above act is committed with a gun that is gun violence.....
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    I've argued with liberals ad nauseum that someone who dies via knife, bat, hammer, car, axe, feet, bare hands, etc. is no less dead than a person who dies via a gun. There is no moral high ground gained by being a defenseless victim or dying via a different inanimate object. Our God Given Rights were not intended to be at the mercy of the idiotic majority vote. If 51% of the people think everyone should get free income checks, not work, and get free food for life that doesn't make it either smart or right. That would end society as we know it (and we are well on our way with that issue also).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2700 View Post
    When people read this story, no one blames the hammer. However, if instead of a hammer, it was a different object... a firearm... people then blame the gun. Why? Some will say, guns are more dangerous... you can do more harm with a gun. Well, his victims are dead. I don't know how to achieve more harm than that. Others will say, it's easier to commit these crimes with a gun. Is it? Over 90% of all violent crime in this country does not involve a firearm at all. Then others will say, you can achieve more mass killings with a gun – look at what has happened in all the mass killings with assault weapons. Is that accurate? The latest statistics we have are from 2011, and each year the numbers are about the same. In 2011 there were 323 people murdered with rifles in this country. Now keep in mind that is all rifles, “assault weapons" are a subset of those.” The FBI does not break down that data, but those murdered by “assault weapons” are measurably less. During that same time, 728 people were murdered by hands and feet. That does not include those that were murdered by clubs and hammers. And over 5 times as many were murdered by knives or cutting instruments.

    So if all guns are used in less than 10% of all violent crimes, and all assault weapons murder less than half of those that are murdered by just hands and feet, not to mention clubs, hammers and knives, why is there all this dialog about, “gun violence”? Why in an identical murder case, people want to blame (i.e., legislate, control, outlaw, or just plain vilify) the object only when it's a gun?

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    Yeh, but you can't overthrow a tyranical government with hammers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmacgyver0 View Post
    Yeh, but you can't overthrow a tyranical government with hammers.
    Though, from a certain perspective, a heavily-armed citizenry is the one hammer that can stop a tyrannical government. Unsurprising, that "they" want to ban "hammers."
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