Fire Mission: Obama Administration Trying to Grab Guns Through Executive Order

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    Angry Fire Mission: Obama Administration Trying to Grab Guns Through Executive Order

    Warning from GOA about Obama Executive Orders on Gun Control.

    Secretary Kathleen "ObamaCare" Sebelius - and her Department of Health and Human Services - has promulgated regulations which would, by executive fiat, waive all federal privacy laws and encourage you doctor to report you to the FBI.

    Please go to these sites.
    Read the proposed regulations, Go to the Federal Register - http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013...2013-09602.pdf

    Comment on the rules/regulations at: Regulations.gov


    One suggested response.

    This appears to be an unconstitutional rule denying citizens of their rights by executive fiat.

    No one should be denied their Constitutional Rights without adjudication in a court of law. There also needs to be a written process to have a citizens rights returned if taken away.

    This rule would not have stopped Newtown from happening. It will prevent sick people from getting the help they need because they will be afraid of losing their Constitutional Rights.


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    Tell HHS their new regs are crazy

    “Gun Owners of America [has] spent the months since Newtown doing tremendous damage, insisting that expanded background checks will lead to a gun registry.” - New York Times, April 4, 2013

    It’s quite a complement when the New York Times thinks that you are doing “tremendous damage.” But you can be sure that the other side is not going to go away quietly.

    And sure enough, the Obama Administration is trying to unilaterally undo our recent victory in the Senate - and to undo the “damage” that all of us inflicted together.

    But first, a little history.

    Remember when Senators Pat Toomey, Joe Manchin and Chuck Schumer formed an unholy alliance during the recent gun battle on Capitol Hill? Remember how their amendment would have encouraged your psychiatrist to turn you in to the FBI's gun ban list?

    And you remember how we stopped that provision, because over 40 senators found it to be odious and a violation of the Second Amendment?

    Well, guess what? Barack Obama has just concluded that "he don't need no stinkin’ Senate."

    Instead, Secretary Kathleen "ObamaCare" Sebelius - and her Department of Health and Human Services - has promulgated regulations which would, by executive fiat, waive all federal privacy laws and encourage you doctor to report you to the FBI.

    Understand a couple of things: First, the standard which your doctor would use to turn you in is embodied in Clinton-era ATF language and in the anti-gun Veterans Disarmament Act of 2007. Specifically, you doctor would "drop a dime" on you if he suspected you were even a slight "danger to yourself of others" or were "unable to manage your financial affairs."

    So if they say you can't balance your checkbook, then you lose your constitutional rights.

    But there's another problem: The day these regulations become law, lawyers will be lining up to sue "deep-pocket" psychiatrists for every case where they failed to turn in a patient to NICS - if the patient subsequently engages in a horrific act.

    The bottom line? Any psychiatrist who failed to report all of his patients to the NICS system risks losing everything if any of them engages in harmful conduct. Soon the rule of thumb will be: See a shrink; lose your guns.

    And the regulations will apply to private, as well as government-employed psychiatrists.

    The bad news is that 165,000 military veterans have already lost their gun rights because of the “see a VA shrink, lose your gun rights” precedent from the Clinton-Bush era.

    Sadly, what happened to military veterans has now begun in the private sector - especially in places like New York, after they recently passed their misnamed SAFE Act.

    According to gun rights reporter, Dan Roberts, firearms are now being confiscated from gun owners because of their mental health information. For example:

    “[John Doe] received a letter from the Pistol Permit Department informing him that his license was immediately revoked upon information that he was seeing a therapist for anxiety and had been prescribed an anxiety drug. He was never suicidal, never violent, and has no criminal history.”

    So now taking anxiety pills can result in one’s forfeiting their Second Amendment rights in New York!

    This is where the gun haters want to push their agenda. And this is one reason why background checks are so dangerous - because they give government bureaucrats the opportunity to deny law-abiding people their constitutionally-protected rights.

    But the good news is this: The HHS rulemaking is still at an early stage, and HHS is (no doubt reluctantly) taking the views of the general public.

    ACTION: Go to the Federal Register - at http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013...2013-09602.pdf - and respond to the regs entitled “HIPAA Privacy Rule and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).”

    Let the HHS know how you feel about waiving all federal privacy laws for people who seek counseling.

    You may submit your comments at Regulations.gov

    Also, be sure to tell your congressmen that you oppose the “see a shrink, lose your guns” regs issued by the HHS. Ask him to issue his own comments as well.

    The regs themselves lay out several ways that you may submit your opposition. The comment period ends on June 7, 2013.
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    OK, I read thorught hte GOA letter and the PDF pertaining to HIPPA and NICS. Now, I might have missed it. But I did not see where it makes any changes in how folks are deemed "mentally" unfit or whatever to own a firearm. I di dnot see where it encourages doctors or anyone to "drop a dime" on anyone that they would not have done previously. I did not see any changes in attitdue toward who should be deemed unfit.

    I saw that it wants to be reported to NICS in an efficient way people who ALREADY have been deemed menatlly incompetane or otherwise a danger to themselves or others. I saw that is is only concerned about reporting what suppose to be reported now (Whether you or I agree is not the issue for this thread, that is a seperate topic).

    So, did I miss something here? What is the change that would encourage doctors to report more folks...or is it simply wanting to be effective with reporting?
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    From the PDF -

    In addition, we are soliciting comments on the best methods to disseminate information on relevant
    HIPAA policies to State level entities that originate or maintain information that may be reported to NICS. Finally,
    we are soliciting public input on whether there are ways to mitigate any unintended adverse consequences for
    individuals seeking needed mental health services
    that may be caused by creating express regulatory permission
    to report relevant information to NICS. The Department will use the information it receives to determine
    how best to address these issues.
    It's a fine line but since the mental health issue was brought up so heavily in recent arguments, it looks to me like they are taking the claim to the next step and trying to figure out, how?
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    2A - O**** Administration Trying to Grab Guns Through Executive Order

    O**** Administration Trying to Grab Guns Through Executive Order
    Thursday, 02 May 2013 18:25
    Written by Gun Owners of America

    ....And you remember how we stopped that provision, because over 40 senators found it to be odious and a violation of the Second Amendment?

    Well, guess what? Barack O**** has just concluded that "he don't need no stinkin’ Senate."

    Instead, Secretary Kathleen "O****Care" Sebelius - and her Department of Health and Human Services - has promulgated regulations which would, by executive fiat, waive all federal privacy laws and encourage your doctor to report you to the FBI.

    Understand a couple of things: First, the standard which your doctor would use to turn you in is embodied in Clinton-era ATF language and in the anti-gun Veterans Disarmament Act of 2007. Specifically, you doctor would "drop a dime" on you if he suspected you were even a slight "danger to yourself or others" or were "unable to manage your financial affairs."

    So if they say you can't balance your checkbook, then you lose your constitutional rights.

    ....The bad news is that 165,000 military veterans have already lost their gun rights because of the “see a VA shrink, lose your gun rights” precedent from the Clinton-Bush era.

    Sadly, what happened to military veterans has now begun in the private sector - especially in places like New York, after they recently passed their misnamed SAFE Act.



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    OOPS - Mods, please kill this tread. Thanks mprp.......... I no do my homework well, no?
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