Post By Hopyard
May 3rd, 2013 08:29 PM
Proposition mechanism: U.S. Constitution amendment via proposition?
Question, for those of you who are knowledgeable about the Constitution and what options exist for getting a constitutional amendment in place:
Can the propositions mechanism that's used in the states also be used for forcing such proposals to get considered despite opposition from our legislators to write any such bill? Or, is the only constitutionally lawful mechanism for getting any such amendments the traditional bill being proposed in Congress?
If you're able, please reference the article/section in the U.S. Constitution that specifies the required process. I can't seem to find it.
Of course, this idea of the Propositions mechanism assumes the requisite signatures are gathered, the proposed bill is written, that it's voted on in the House and Senate, and then if passed (being a constitutional amendment) it would head off to the states for ratifying.
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May 3rd, 2013 09:17 PM
" ...,shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof,..."
May 3rd, 2013 09:19 PM
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May 3rd, 2013 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by Tzadik
Pretty certain that ccw can read, these responses don't help... I for one, would like an answer as to how it (the process) works, or has worked in the past...
Originally Posted by dling
I think ccw is looking for the same answers.
I do know that in the past (with prohibition, suffrage, at least) the process was inexorably slow, as it should be.
I do think the repeal of prohibition took far less time than prohibition did.
Looking to change the constitution to say, clarify the second, or term limits, or recall, would be nigh unto impossible, methinks.
Ask a woman who supported the ERA, it would be very hard.
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May 3rd, 2013 10:59 PM
Ye Old Fashioned Constitutional Convention:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Never been done that way, though.
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May 3rd, 2013 11:17 PM
And wisely not. When amendments come from Congress they are limited in topic and scope. Then, they must get past the various state legislatures.
Originally Posted by PEF
A constitutional convention could re-write the whole document. When they were done we could have a parliamentary system and only 10 states; and a judiciary
beholden to the Executive. There is just no telling what mischief a constitutional convention could come up with.
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May 4th, 2013 07:30 AM
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