Radio Host to Lead Open Carry March from VA to DC (July 4th)

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    Radio Host to Lead Open Carry March from VA to DC (July 4th)

    From the Facebook Event Page. As of my posting (5/6/2013 @ 3:30 EST) it lists over 1600 people as 'going' and over 1500 as 'maybe attending'. Even assuming only half show up, that's still a good number of people.

    Here's the description:

    On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge. This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.

    There's a remote chance that there will be violence as there has been from government before, and I think it should be clear that if anyone involved in this event is approached respectfully by agents of the state, they will submit to arrest without resisting. We are truly saying in the SUBTLEST way possible that we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.

    You are welcome to attend unarmed as a supporter, or armed with a recording device.

    We especially invite law enforcement officers to stand with us armed however they feel is appropriate.

    If this page gets to 10,000 attendees by June 1st, & we have the critical mass necessary to pull this off, (1,000 actual attendees) we will march. Please spread the word, share this event, & invite all your friends.

    UPDATE 130506 Now that it's undeniable that this is going to happen, allow me to make clear how. There will be coordination with DC law enforcement prior to the event. I will recommend that they do the best they can to honor their oaths and escort us on our route. Failing to provide that commitment to safety, we will either be informed that we will only be allowed up to a certain point where we would be arrested. If this is the case, we will approach that point as a group and if necessary, I will procede to volunteer myself to determine what their actual course of action with someone crossing the line will be at which point fellow marchers will have the choice of joining me one at a time in a peaceful, orderly manner, or turning back to the National Cemetery.

    Thanks to everyone for the vibrant conversation, but we have decided to make the wall of this event page specifically just for announcements and important info for the event. Please feel free to comment, and continue the conversation as you like at: Adam vs The Man :: Forums ? View forum - Organizing Events
    Personally, I think it's awesome. Is it attention seeking? Sure, but I think it needs to happen. We sit here and complain about our 2A rights constantly coming under fire and being eroded. I think it's about time someone did something to push back, in a peaceful manner. Before you say, "this is exactly what the antis want, more material to use against us," I disagree. No matter what we do, the antis will spin it against us. Hell, you can take a story about someone defending their home successfully against two armed invaders, and the antis will spin it as "what if a bullet went through the walls and hit the neighbor's newborn baby." That said, I can't wait to see the outcome of this event, though I can only imagine the horrific way FOX/MSNBC will cover it.

    "Look at all those crazy people! Look at their guns! Oooo big scary black guns, the same ones used in Sandy Hook! Wow, look at how many rounds that thing can carry!" Ugh.

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    I'll watch the melee... but honestly, I hope it works positively...

    I've read the retorts... It ain't gonna happen...

    and if it does... you better have 10,000 stand to be arrested... they won't all fit in the pokey... but surely there's a fort nearby... and don't forget, once they label you as a terrorist... therr ain't no due process...
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    Is there any other way to keep up on this march besides facebook?? I do not use it.

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    A similar march of protest took place at the Dharasana salt works in Gujarat, India. But they weren't armed in any way. Worked for India, though it took 17 more years before independence came.

    A similarly-unarmed version of this march could be done if folks went with empty holsters only, in their thousands. Then, if assaulted violently or arrested for merely walking from here to there, then there'd be the moral and legal high ground.

    But fully armed (even if unloaded), IMO it's going to be seen as a provocation that the tyrants cannot afford to have stand. I'll bet they will pull out the stops to violate, arrest, charge and label all such folk as so-called "terrorists," making "terroristic threats," and all that that implies. Might or might not be worth it. Might well be the only rational thing to do, at this point. But it might well turn the tide for the anti-gunners and their SCOTUS acolytes, giving them the final nails for the coffin. Too close to call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    A similar march of protest took place at the Dharasana salt works in Gujarat, India. But they weren't armed in any way. Worked for India, though it took 17 more years before independence came.

    A similarly-unarmed version of this march could be done if folks went with empty holsters only, in their thousands. Then, if assaulted violently or arrested for merely walking from here to there, then there'd be the moral and legal high ground.

    But fully armed (even if unloaded), IMO it's going to be seen as a provocation that the tyrants cannot afford to have stand. I'll bet they will pull out the stops to violate, arrest, charge and label all such folk as so-called "terrorists," making "terroristic threats," and all that that implies. Might or might not be worth it. Might well be the only rational thing to do, at this point. But it might well turn the tide for the anti-gunners and their SCOTUS acolytes, giving them the final nails for the coffin. Too close to call.
    The salt march did work, but about 80,000 participants were arrested. I can see this ending badly for the protesters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
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    But fully armed (even if unloaded), IMO it's going to be seen as a provocation that the tyrants cannot afford to have stand. I'll bet they will pull out the stops to violate, arrest, charge and label all such folk as so-called "terrorists," making "terroristic threats," and all that that implies. Might or might not be worth it. Might well be the only rational thing to do, at this point. But it might well turn the tide for the anti-gunners and their SCOTUS acolytes, giving them the final nails for the coffin. Too close to call.

    And if I read it right... And I did
    We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyr..
    Off to the FEMA camps with the protestors... loss of permits to carry... some never to be seen again... Drone fodder!

    Nope, I would think unarmed might be best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    The salt march did work, but about 80,000 participants were arrested. I can see this ending badly for the protesters.
    Not just the protestors, but ALL people in our states who have arms. This sort of event might blow sideways (FUBAR) in all different directions, legally speaking. It might well provide exactly what the anti-gunners lacked to sway the oath breakers in Congress to back their gun-grabbing plans, showing the "threat" posed by citizens carrying arms in vast marches, the implied threat of so many carrying loaded rifles.

    Sadly, we simply don't have much backing in either Congress, SCOTUS or the other courts. The result of an ugly march (no matter who sparks the violence, arrests or whatever else is likely to occur) could end badly for us all, in terms of legislation and the courts' future opinions.

    One sobering thing to keep in mind, as well, is this: We've got 4yrs left on the current-term Administration's "opening" for SCOTUS judicial appointments; we have 4yrs left for members of Congress to turn from patriot to oath-breaker; and we're just off a supposedly "resounding" defeat of the anti-gunners in the Senate, though most of those S.649 amendment proposals failed by a whisker.

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    Can they put 10,000 more in Gitmo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Can they put 10,000 more in Gitmo?
    Drone fodder wouldn't be incarcerated... Incinerated perhaps...
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    I'm all for a mass show of support in the form of a march and I was getting all excited about it until I got a few sentences into the article and read that it is planned as a march of people who will be armed (loaded or not). This will not end well. I'll be looking for news of breakouts of violence during the event, and it will set back our cause by years, or even decades. If they change their minds and make it simply a march of people in support of RKBA (unarmed), I'll be there. Otherwise, I'm out, and they will not have my support, not even moral support. This event, if it occurs, would be a HUGE mistake.
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    Isn't open carry in DC a felony? I doubt most of the protesters will have DC registered guns and surely more than a few will have hi-cap mags. Hooray for getting a felony conviction and not being able to vote or own firearms. Bye bye CCW permits to the marchers that have them.

    I'm sure this will go over real well.

    They want march on DC to stop the feds from taking their guns. They will commit several felonies in the process allowing the government to legally and rightfully take their guns. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Even if this doesn't turn violent it's doomed for failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElMonoDelMar View Post
    Isn't open carry in DC a felony?
    Yes, I believe it is. Sayonara to one's ownership/carry of arms for a lifetime, if convicted.


    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinFool View Post
    I'm all for a mass show of support in the form of a march and I was getting all excited about it until I got a few sentences into the article and read that it is planned as a march of people who will be armed (loaded or not). This will not end well. I'll be looking for news of breakouts of violence during the event, and it will set back our cause by years, or even decades. If they change their minds and make it simply a march of people in support of RKBA (unarmed), I'll be there. Otherwise, I'm out, and they will not have my support, not even moral support. This event, if it occurs, would be a HUGE mistake.
    Yup. Civil disobedience is one thing. If it were carrying of empty belt holsters en masse, that'd do it. A technically unlawful act qualifies. But, deliberate commission of a felony is something else entirely, IMO, particularly when dealing with arms, particularly in this current climate.

    I agree: this combination could easily set us back years or even decades, showing what "upstanding" citizens do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    I agree: this combination could easily set us back years or even decades, showing what "upstanding" citizens do.
    Yep. All the talk of "never let a crisis go to waste" and some people here still think this is a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    The salt march did work, but about 80,000 participants were arrested. I can see this ending badly for the protesters.
    All I had to read was a few words in the title to come to the same conclusion.

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    It's interesting to think about a march on DC, to show our hirelings who the "boss" is, who they report to. But it might be a nice exercise to list what the statutes and US code basically offer up, for such willful felons ...

    "Bob, you've selected Door #3. What has Bob won, today?? A new felony rap sheet, and a 3-5 stint in Danbury, plus an enticing bonus ... a permanent spot on the terrorist watch list, the no-fly list, and full (surreptitious) authorization to wiretap his butt 'til Doomsday. Congratulations, Bob!"


    What we need as a first step, IMO, is an iron-clad SCOTUS decision nullifying and invalidating all federal firearms statutes with a clear statement they all violate the RKBA. Of course, how to get that step. Civil "disobedience" might bring some pressure to bear, sure. But it might well spin badly out of control. Think unintended consequences.
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