2A - California Lead Ammunition Ban (AB 711) Goes to Assembly Floor

2A - California Lead Ammunition Ban (AB 711) Goes to Assembly Floor

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    2A - California Lead Ammunition Ban (AB 711) Goes to Assembly Floor

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    Posted on May 11, 2013

    Earlier this week, the California Assembly Appropriations Committee voted 11 to 5 to approve a proposed statewide lead ammunition ban for all hunting, Assembly Bill 711. AB 711 would make California the first state in the nation to prohibit the use of all lead ammunition for hunting. This bill now goes to the state Assembly floor where it is expected to be brought up for a vote soon. The NRA urges all hunters, recreational shooters and gun owners to actively oppose AB 711. We strongly urge you to contact members of the state Assembly. Please forward this alert to your family, friends, fellow sportsmen and gun owners throughout California and urge them to do the same. Contact information for all state Assemblymen can be found here: Legislative Action Center




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    Good. Less competition for lead ammo.
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    I just cannot imagine condors soaring around the mountain tops searching for lead bullets to consume. Those poor, poor oppressed people having to live under that regime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Those poor, poor oppressed people having to live under that regime.
    They don't have to! They choose to!

    I moved to Nevada, and now I thinking of Texas, Utah, and or Montana!
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    The California mentality is a cancer on this nation. Such a shame it took hold in a state that once (like long ago) held personal liberty very highly.
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    Don't take this the wrong way. You people who live in liberal cess pools and allowed this to happen, stay away my wonderful part of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peckman28 View Post
    The California mentality is a cancer on this nation. Such a shame it took hold in a state that once (like long ago) held personal liberty very highly.
    They (of this ilk) value personal liberty very much. It is only certain ones, the others are not fit to be included so they are not included. Marry your parrot, but do not shoot with lead!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40Bob View Post
    Don't take this the wrong way. You people who live in liberal cess pools and allowed this to happen, stay away my wonderful part of the country.
    Don't count on it... they're leaving the land of OZ because it's so expensive... and they can see beautiful vistas inland... and will want to make it JUST LIKE CALIFORNIA when they get there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Don't count on it... they're leaving the land of OZ because it's so expensive... and they can see beautiful vistas inland... and will want to make it JUST LIKE CALIFORNIA when they get there!
    Like Colorado!,I might be wrong,but I don't know of any 22LR ammunition that is not lead,since they complain the birds get lead poisoning from eating the gut piles from animals hunters have field dressed,just make it illegal to leave those gut piles behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Don't count on it... they're leaving the land of OZ because it's so expensive... and they can see beautiful vistas inland... and will want to make it JUST LIKE CALIFORNIA when they get there!
    I think you're making an unfair generalization. I've lived here for most of my life, but can't wait to get out now, and there are many others like me. And, no, I don't want it to be like California where I move.

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    Living in Florida I have met a lot of people from NY and surrounding anti-gun areas and surprisingly all the ones I've had extensive conversations with are avid firearms enthusiasts. Perhaps the people that left up there and came down here did so because they didn't agree with the direction it was going.

    All I can say is if a person is giving serious consideration to leaving their home state and moving to Florida, they need to accept up front that Florida is fairly supportive of our gun rights. Perhaps not the best (no OC), but I would venture to say in the top 15 States (give or take a few spots either way).
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    California-bashing is one thing. Californian-bashing is definitely over generalizing. Though a forthcoming reply is not expected, here is this Californian's letter to his representative.
    Assemblymember Lowenthal,
    Please consider that AB 711 may strike a blow to subsistence and low-income hunters especially. Other reasons to oppose AB 711, 2014, Hunting, Non-lead Ammunition:
    *False data as bases of support
    *Environmental impacts of and other problems with alternative ammo
    *Likely wildlife lead sources are not lead ammo
    *Lead-alternative ammo is federally illegal as armor-piercing and so illegal for hunters and a devastating blow to hunting in California, which is a boon to the conservation economy and to the general state economy.
    *Historical lead ammunition in the field for over a century shows no negative environmental impact. Such "metallic lead is not very soluble and does not tend to migrate."
    *Hunters are not heedless of the environment. To the contrary, it is in their interest to foster stewardship and a healthy environment. I believe that hunters are better environmentalists than the Humane Society of the US, a sponsor of AB 711.
    *AB 711 is a hasty bypass of the California Fish and Game Commission and their call for closer scrutiny of the issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    Living in Florida I have met a lot of people from NY and surrounding anti-gun areas and surprisingly all the ones I've had extensive conversations with are avid firearms enthusiasts. Perhaps the people that left up there and came down here did so because they didn't agree with the direction it was going.

    All I can say is if a person is giving serious consideration to leaving their home state and moving to Florida, they need to accept up front that Florida is fairly supportive of our gun rights. Perhaps not the best (no OC), but I would venture to say in the top 15 States (give or take a few spots either way).
    Te gunshine state! I specificly have my FL permit for when I am there.
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    I guess the whole line anti's use of "believing in the American tradition of hunting" was a load of BS.

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    Well..... eliminate lead bullets.... drive up price, they are also looking at adding a 10% tax on all ammo ...... drive up price on ammo, and continue to try to deprive people of their 2A rights.... or their ability to exercise them.

    Their argument was ... it was getting in "food sources" and "harming the children" .... really ? Tell those kids they shouldn't eat condors... they're protected in California. Like to know how they figured that out anyway and what they had to back it up.

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