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    Illinois House Is Going For The Gusto...

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    Oh believe me, it's happening!
    This is not an NRA sponsored bill though, as several Dems didn't want to have an NRA approved bill on their record.
    However, it passed with such excitement that several of us are beginning to wonder: What happened behind the scenes that caused this to pass? Some think a magazine ban might be coming, while I'm more inclined to think that a big trade-off may have been going on for topics like gay marriage or the budget. Or perhaps it's because Speaker of the House Madigan's daughter wants to run for Governor and she won't win without downstate support? We know that the thought of Court Ordered Constitutional Carry freaked many of them out too.

    The game is not over, it still has to pass the Senate. We know that Cullerton and Madigan havn't been getting along lately. This is Madigan's bill, Cullerton has an even more extreme May Issue bill with a huge list of prohibited areas. It's almost as if they're trying to show each other who is in control of this state, while Gov. Quinn is just moving his mouth to make everyone think he knows what's up.

    Welcome to Illinois politics, a never ending circus. It would be very exciting to watch if it wasn't my rights and my money that they were playing with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GcDm2010 View Post
    Oh believe me, it's happening!
    This is not an NRA sponsored bill though, as several Dems didn't want to have an NRA approved bill on their record.
    However, it passed with such excitement that several of us are beginning to wonder: What happened behind the scenes that caused this to pass? Some think a magazine ban might be coming, while I'm more inclined to think that a big trade-off may have been going on for topics like gay marriage or the budget. Or perhaps it's because Speaker of the House Madigan's daughter wants to run for Governor and she won't win without downstate support? We know that the thought of Court Ordered Constitutional Carry freaked many of them out too.
    Welcome to Illinois politics, a never ending circus. It would be very exciting to watch if it wasn't my rights and my money that they were playing with.
    Ohio was without the right to carry concealed from 1859 until 2004, so we are with you on the circus of never-ending politics. It was a very hard-fought battle to bring concealed carry to our state, and more battles to get rid of the poison pill provisions contained in the original legislation.
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    I can see Illinois getting concealed carry but so expensive and watered down as to be next to useless courtesy of the Chicago cartel.
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    Expensive: $150. Excessive training: 16 hours, but they will let you combine several 4 and 8 hour classes.
    No reciprocity except within your car (you can have a loaded weapon inside your car, but not on you if you step out to buy gas, but nobody buys gas here).
    No public transit carry, which doesn't effect me but it does the majority of the Chicagoland population, That was probably the bone they threw out to please Chicago.
    No public park carry, no large event carry.

    But it's not all a loss. It has no duty to inform, does have statewide preemption and I can go to Church and Walmart. And, unless you're on school property, you can lock your gun in your car at any prohibited place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GcDm2010 View Post
    No reciprocity except within your car (you can have a loaded weapon inside your car, but not on you if you step out to buy gas, but nobody buys gas here).
    No public transit carry, which doesn't effect me but it does the majority of the Chicagoland population, That was probably the bone they threw out to please Chicago.
    No public park carry, no large event carry.
    Guns: Now everywhere, except where you need it.

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    It's looking fairly good, so far. I'm impressed with this latest effort. They've got 6wks to go.

    Can't imagine having a state-wide arms statute without preemption, merely to avoid disjoint coverage, ugly legal potholes for people to unwittingly step in, and the simple fact that allowing localities to have their own petty jurisdictions effectively equates to saying this life is more valuable than that (in this place versus that).

    One little wrinkle: According to this article, if by June 9 a state law has not passed, then localities can pass all the little anti-gun ordinances they choose. That can't be right, can it? That'd be against the circuit court's ruling, right??
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    Well, it is one heck of a good start.

    I like this statement!

    ....."Criminals are cowards," said Rep. Mike Bost, a southern Illinois Republican. "If they know there's an opportunity they're going to get caught or get shot — because they don't like a fair fight — they're not going to commit the crime."

    However, note that they are also taking the teeth out of it by many prohibited places that you 'could' potentially carry.

    Still, a start in the right direction!
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    I haven't read through this yet. Any training waived if prior military?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    One little wrinkle: According to this article, if by June 9 a state law has not passed, then localities can pass all the little anti-gun ordinances they choose. That can't be right, can it? That'd be against the circuit court's ruling, right??
    You would think, but it only strikes down the state AUUW/UUW law that bans posession of concealed firearms in public, not local ordinances.

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    I haven't read through this yet. Any training waived if prior military?
    Don't know. Read rumors that it may qualify towards several hours of the training requirement, but that's just rumors. The law allows the state police to decide what training qualifies. I personally hope they take the Hunters Ed Course like Florida did. That was 10 hours i think??? And it's free!

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    SB2193ham002 98TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

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    AUUW/UUW law
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
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    Aggravated Unlawful Use of Weapons, or Unlawful Use of Weapons.
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    The no carry list is huge: "Under the measure, concealed carry would be prohibited at all schools, colleges and universities, child-care facilities, parks and playgrounds, Chicago area forest preserves, state and municipal government buildings, libraries, hospitals, mental health facilities, nursing homes, airports, stadiums, arenas, sporting events, amusement parks, zoos, museums, public transportation and government public gatherings." That's not the entire list, either.

    According to a poster on Calguns, the shall-issue part is a trick:

    Shall issue in name only. The House bill says state police shall give concealed carry permits to people who fit within the letter of the law. But local officials can still object, and applicants, if denied a permit, can appeal to a new review board loaded with appointees who have law enforcement backgrounds. Note the phrase "loaded with appointees."

    Sheriff Dart has already announced his intention to charge people $300 for a Cook County CCW license and deny most of the applications on the basis that the applicant's neighborhood isn't dangerous enough to qualify. The FOID card background check fee will be $150 and there is a 16-hour course requirement that'll probably run $350.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    The no carry list is huge: "Under the measure, concealed carry would be prohibited at all schools, colleges and universities, child-care facilities, parks and playgrounds, Chicago area forest preserves, state and municipal government buildings, libraries, hospitals, mental health facilities, nursing homes, airports, stadiums, arenas, sporting events, amusement parks, zoos, museums, public transportation and government public gatherings." That's not the entire list, either.
    So, where can a person "carry" ... the Donut Shack and one's own back yard? Sort of defeats the purpose, eh? Hmmm. Maybe that's their whole point, to defeat the purpose. Ya think?

    God, I hate Chicago political hacks. They're gonna be dragged to concealed-carry with their teeth marks on the bill. Time for the citizens to put their teeth marks on the hides of each of them.
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