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    White House Letter

    I got this from the White House today.


    Where We Agree and Where We Don't

    Thanks for your petition. We don't believe that Senator Dianne Feinstein should be punished for championing legislation. In fact, we're going to continue to work with her and other likeminded Members of Congress to put in place commonsense reforms to reduce gun violence.
    But we're willing to have a reasonable debate about the steps we should take to make the country safer for our kids.
    And it actually seems like we're starting from a place of common agreement: Like many of you, President Obama believes that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms (he says so right here).
    That's never been in question with this discussion. What we've proposed are steps within the framework of that constitutional right to protect our communities from shootings and violence. If you want to see the specifics of our plan, you should visit WhiteHouse.gov/NowIsTheTime.
    Now generally, it's up to our courts to resolve matters of constitutionality. But no less an authority than Justice Antonin Scalia has written, "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose" -- so we're pretty confident that we're on solid ground when we say we support Senator Feinsteinís legislation to that effect.
    We also believe that there's room for a civil discourse on matters of public policy -- where we don't try to silence our political opponents just because we disagree with them. In America, all of us, even those with whom you disagree, have the right to help to set our nation's course.
    Which is exactly why we created the We the People platform. Even if you disagree with everything you just read, we want you to walk away from this process with knowledge that we're doing our best to listen -- even to our harshest critics.
    Tell us what you think about this response and We the People.
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    Signed, Joe Isuzu.
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    You remember that guy? No one else does.
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    Blast from the past. Wasn't he related to "Crazy Eddie"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cokeman View Post
    You remember that guy? No one else does.
    No one but you and me, apparently.
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    IOW, they want your guns ... and they want 'em now.

    "Within" the framework of the Constitution, my left elbow.

    The founding citizens acknowledged our right to be armed, enshrined protection of that right in the BOR, and prohibited government infringement of the right. We retain the right to protect ourselves in defense against violence and against tyrannical government seeking to war on our liberties.

    In short, because the security of a free people depends upon retaining liberty for all, the right of the people to be effectively armed and capable of using such arms is recognized as inviolable and shall not be infringed.

    The tyrannical hirelings attempting to erase our liberties are, ironically at the point of a gun, demanding we give up our arms, restrict our arms, and otherwise make possession of our arms so onerous and rare a thing as to render security of our liberties and our status as a free people moot.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    Signed, Joe Isuzu.
    I always thought Joe Isuzu was Harrison Ford's half brother. But, I've said that before.

    Get Holder to admit to signing something (hint) and I'll be impressed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    IOW, they want your guns ... and they want 'em now.

    "Within" the framework of the Constitution, my left elbow.

    The founding citizens acknowledged our right to be armed, enshrined protection of that right in the BOR, and prohibited government infringement of the right. We retain the right to protect ourselves in defense against violence and against tyrannical government seeking to war on our liberties.

    In short, because the security of a free people depends upon retaining liberty for all, the right of the people to be effectively armed and capable of using such arms is recognized as inviolable and shall not be infringed.

    The tyrannical hirelings attempting to erase our liberties are, ironically at the point of a gun, demanding we give up our arms, restrict our arms, and otherwise make possession of our arms so onerous and rare a thing as to render security of our liberties and our status as a free people moot.
    Step 1 - Erase God from the US lexicon or expected morals.

    Step 2 - Create a living Constitutional understanding of the 'general moronic public' that God did not give you rights, but that the Govt gives them to you, as they see fit.

    Step 3 - Throw big Tax Payer funded parties for the elite Ruling Class that won the arguments over Steps 1 and 2 above.

    Step 4 - Throw the current Media under the bus and replace with NAZI Progressive Leftist Propaganda experts to ensure that the 'general moranic public' that you duped to begin with, continues to be zombies.
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    Yeah yeah yeah ... we dont agree bull squeeze... we petitioned by the hundreds of thousands and the white house says we disagree...

    Well WE OWN YOU white house so who in the hell are you to give a statement saying well "you dont agree". We didn't ask for your agreement or disagreement, we asked you to assist us with our wishes....

    You have clearly shown that you are NOT working for the people whom own the house you are renting.... we have got to take our country back people.
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    I just received this email from the WhiteHouse....Blah...Blah...Blah....
    Spend more money doing research. I like how he throws in the hunting and sporting. I didn't see that in the 2nd Amendment.

    "The White House, Washington





    Dear XXXXXX:




    Thank you for taking the time to write. I have heard from many Americans regarding firearms policy and gun violence in our Nation, and I appreciate your perspective. From Aurora to Newtown to the streets of Chicago, we have seen the devastating effects gun violence has on our American family. I join countless others in grieving for all those whose lives have been taken too soon by gun violence.



    Like the majority of Americans, I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that has been handed down from generation to generation. Hunting and sport shooting are part of our national heritage. Yet, even as we acknowledge that almost all gun owners in America are responsible, when we look at the devastation caused by gun violence—whether in high-profile tragedies or the daily heartbreak that plagues our cities—we must ask ourselves whether we are doing enough.



    While reducing gun violence is a complicated challenge, protecting our children from harm should not be a divisive one. Most gun owners agree that we can respect the Second Amendment while keeping an irresponsible, law-breaking few from inflicting harm on a massive scale. Most also agree that if we took commonsense steps to curtail gun violence, there would be fewer atrocities like the one that occurred in Newtown. We will not be able to stop every violent act, but if there is even one thing we can do to reduce gun violence—if even one life can be saved—then we have an obligation to try.



    That is why I asked Vice President Joe Biden to identify concrete steps we can take to keep our children safe, help prevent mass shootings, and reduce the broader epidemic of gun violence in this country. He met with over 200 groups representing a broad cross-section of Americans and heard their best ideas. I have put forward a specific set of proposals based off of his efforts, and in the days ahead, I intend to use whatever weight this office holds to make them a reality.



    My plan gives law enforcement, schools, mental health professionals, and the public health community some of the tools they need to help reduce gun violence. These tools include strengthening the background check system, helping schools hire more resource officers and counselors and develop emergency preparedness plans, and ensuring mental health professionals know their options for reporting threats of violence. And I directed the Centers for Disease Control to study the best ways to reduce gun violence—because it is critical that we understand the science behind this public health crisis. From improving mental health services to looking more closely at a culture that too often glorifies violence, we must leave no stone unturned when working to keep Americans safe.



    As important as these steps are, they are not a substitute for action from Congress. To make a real and lasting difference, members of Congress must also act. As part of my comprehensive plan, I have called on them to pass some specific proposals right away. First, it is time to require a universal background check for anyone trying to buy a gun. Second, Congress should renew the 10-round limit on magazines and reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban. We should get tougher on those who buy guns with the purpose of selling them to criminals, and we should impose serious punishments on anyone who helps them do this.



    These are reasonable, commonsense measures that have the support of the majority of the American people. But change will not come unless the American people demand it from their lawmakers. Now is the time to do the right thing for our children, our communities, and the country we love. We owe the victims of heartbreaking national tragedies and the countless unheralded tragedies each year nothing less than our best effort—to seek consensus in order to save lives and ensure a brighter future for our children.



    Thank you, again, for writing. I encourage you to visit Now is the time | The White House to learn more about my Administration’s approach.




    Sincerely,



    Barack Obama
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    The Obama cartel err administration doesn't want to take our guns, the Chinese already have enough guns of their own...we only send things they want overseas, like jobs!

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    We also believe that there's room for a civil discourse on matters of public policy --
    That's why you criticize people for "clinging to their God and guns".
    That's why you refer to law abiding gun owners as "extremists".
    That's why you bring down the full force of federal regulatory offices on gun owners, gun shops, conservative organizations, and generally anyone whith whom you disagree.

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    That's why you criticize people for "clinging to their God and guns".
    That's why I distrust tyrants for clinging to their self-righteous elitism.

    That's why you refer to law abiding gun owners as "extremists".
    That's why I distrust tyrants for clinging to their self-righteous elitism and attempts at permanently disarming citizens.

    That's why you bring down the full force of federal regulatory offices on gun owners, gun shops, conservative organizations, and generally anyone whith whom you disagree.
    That and all the rest is why I'll continue to see hirelings as the dire threat they represent, whenever they come within 1000yds of my Constitution and my liberty.
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    I received the same letter as the OP received. The last sentence is the key for me. The problem is they do not listen to the people. The people have already spoken. I cant wait till 2014 and these imbeciles are hopefully booted.
    "As a strong supporter of our 2nd Amendment rights, I believe tougher enforcement of our nation's existing gun laws must be done before any more laws are enacted and put on the books."
    Jeff Miller

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    I like how the Obama video that they linked has close to 400,000 videos with ~3,000 'likes' and ~7,000 'dislikes'. The people have spoken?

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