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    Email From WV Senator

    I had an (unsolicited) email from Jay Rockefeller in my inbox today. Following is his email and my reply:


    Dear Mr. XXXXXXX,

    Knowing of your interest in issues related to the Second Amendment and gun safety, I wanted to be in touch to update you on recent action in the Senate.

    Making sure our children, families, and communities are safe from harm has always been one of my top priorities. The unspeakable crimes in places like Blacksburg, Newtown, Aurora, and Tucson have served to remind us of the terrible fact that American families lose loved ones every day as a result of gun violence.

    Over the last several months, parents, educators, police officers, hunters, and elected leaders have worked hard to find common ground and come up with new solutions to solve the very real problem of gun violence. Too many lives have been taken from us too soon, and I believe strongly that we can do more to keep everyone safe while also protecting the important Second Amendment rights and traditions valued by West Virginians.

    I believe we should consider ideas that have worked in the past as well as new ideas. I have been disappointed that some of my colleagues have not kept an open mind about solutions, but I'm hopeful that we still might be able to have honest conversations about next steps.

    We should tackle all important aspects of gun violence – expanding mental health services, studying the impact of violent media on children, aggressively going after gun traffickers, reinstating previous laws on assault weapons and high capacity magazines, and closing the loopholes that exist today in the background check process.

    Two of those issues that I have long supported are better mental health support services in our communities and a better understanding of the impact of violent images on our youth. I have introduced bills on both of these issues this year.

    Another measure that I have supported in the past and think we should reinstate today, is the law that was in effect in from 1994 to 2004 that prohibited new purchases of a limited number of assault weapons and high capacity magazines. It's important to note that when the prohibition was in place no one had to give up any of the guns they owned, no gun owners were placed on any government registries, and thousands of guns were exempted.

    Finally, the loopholes that exist in today's background checks are something I believe we need to work together to address. Right now there are too many ways for violent criminals and the mentally ill to buy guns, especially at gun shows – and we have to fix that. This wouldn't result in any type of registry. It would simply mean that those who want to harm others couldn't avoid background checks by going to gun shows.

    Thank you for sharing your views with me on these critical issues. I want you to know that I work hard every day to protect West Virginians' rights, safety, and well being.

    I wish you the very best.


    With Warm Regards,

    Jay Rockefeller


    My reply (Not sure why I took the time to reply, knowing anything other than full support of his agenda will be ignored):


    Senator Rockefeller,

    Thank you for your email further explaining your views and your current legislative efforts regarding gun violence.

    Unfortunately, you would have to count me among those you feel "have not kept an open mind about solutions." In my opinion the focus has been on the wrong "solutions." Let me address a couple things you mentioned.

    First, you say you would like to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban. You do realize that the AWB had so little affect on violent crime that it was virtually unmeasurable, don't you? It did nothing to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, only out of the hands of law-abiding citizens. So, what good would this serve, other than to be a piece of "feel good legislation?" As I don't currently own an "assault weapon," a ban on such weapons would not have any direct impact on me, however I have to wonder why you (or any legislator) would want to ban the ownership of any firearm by law-abiding citizens, especially knowing that such a ban would have no impact on crime.

    Secondly, you mention "loopholes" in background checks. To the best of my knowledge the only gun sales not currently mandated to have a background check are private sales between individuals. This is not a loophole. Private sales were never meant to be subject to the same restrictions as those going through an FFL dealer. You say "This wouldn't result in any type of registry." My question to you would be, If a 4473 has to be filled out for each and every sale, where would the copies of these forms filled out for private sales be kept? How would you keep track of these sales?The only way background checks on private sales could work is if there were some kind of database of sellers/buyers. Isn't a database of such people the same thing as registration? What am I missing here? Please explain to me how your plan would work.

    As to your other ideas, I am certainly open to coming up with ways to diminish the impact of violence through television and video games. I am also very much in favor of better mental health support services, as long as any measure doesn't violate people's HIPPA rights.

    I noted with interest that something not mentioned in your email is better enforcement of current laws pertaining to violent crime, especially crimes committed with firearms. I would very much like to see Congress deal with this extremely important issue.

    Again, I thank you for emailing me with your ideas. I sincerely hope you take my suggestions under advisement. We as a society could have a huge impact against violent crime, and crime in general, if we focus our attention and energy on things we know will make a difference, rather than jumping down the rabbit hole of gun control.

    Most Sincerely,
    Mr. XXXXXXX

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    Good on ya...
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    Wow, you were a lot nicer than my husband was. We got the exact same e-mail from Rockefeller and my husband e-mailed him back this evening. I'm expecting an IRS audit any day now.

    Your reply was very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Wow, you were a lot nicer than my husband was. We got the exact same e-mail from Rockefeller and my husband e-mailed him back this evening. I'm expecting an IRS audit any day now.

    Your reply was very good.
    LOL. I'm sure I'm already on some list of theirs. What impact that fact will have on my life is not yet known (at least by me).

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    Excellent response letter...

    Rockefeller = money = disarm the rabble.

    Yeah, I got tapatalk, too. So what?
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    It could be worse.
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    I know I have certainly been slacking, but recently about every gun company posted a link to "Write Your Representatives" on their sites. I was doimg it a couple times a day. I think we need to keep up the same level of pressure so there are many more "pro" emails than "anti" for the intern or secretary to count in the offices in DC and the capitals.
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    Agree on using the gun company linkw to Write your Rep's... use them every morning...

    Also doubt that Senator Rockefeller will pay any ayyention to your letter as it doesn't fit his agenda
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    He's a typical anti-gunner hater of liberty, showing it by the waffling anti-2A response (infringements galore). No surprises. Most seem to be, these days, liberty hatred being the fashionable thing.

    Go get 'im. Ensure your lobby organizations know about his shameful response. Ensure your favorite firearms companies are aware of his unconstitutional stance.

    And, be sure to go shopping for a new hireling. The existing one's worn out a hole in his head.
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    Sweet and accurate response. May I use that (with some minor modifications) for responding to my Socialist Senators?

    Thank you.
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    Smokin...here's the letter he shot off last night:

    Dear Senator Rockefeller,

    My wife and I feel so much better after reading your email that you are protecting our 2nd Amendment rights, along with those other notorious left-wing apparatchiks for Obama, like Feinstein, Schumer, Durbin, Bloomberg, Cuomo, O’Malley, Malloy, et al. Unfortunately, the Obama Democrat Party, along with you and Senator Manchin, have lost all credibility and respect in the eyes of West Virginia voters and we look forward to having Senator Capito in the U.S. Senate to represent us. Unlike you and Senator Manchin, she is not afraid of Obama and will speak out for us and defend our Constitutional rights against the tyrannical and brazen Obama Administration officials, who continue to obstruct justice and lie to the American people about Benghazi, IRS illegal targeting of Americans, and DoJ intimidation/persecution of journalists.

    These three major scandals (4 if you count Fast & Furious) erupting out of this White House will not go away and the American people (and possibly the mainstream press) are finally waking up to the grave threat posed by the Obama Democrat Party to our nation’s future existence as a free and open Constitutional republic that respects the rule of law and the truth. We want to get our country back on track and undo the corrupt Obama policies and regulations that have pitted Americans against each other and are destroying our nation’s beloved Constitution, which many of us served proudly in the military and took a solemn oath to protect and defend.

    To prevent Obama his loyal political thugs from taking away our 2nd Amendment right, my wife and I will continue to exercise our 1st Amendment right to speak out against their sinister actions and lies that threaten our Constitution and our individual freedom.



    Thank you,

    (name redacted)
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    ^ That is a bit more direct. No question about the hireling's position, from that. 'Course, one presumes he'll take it all in and see where you're coming from. If he's willing to strip you of your ultimate ability to remain free, it's doubtful.

    Decent letter.


    But I want these unconstitutional oath-breakers to answer me some questions, each and every one of them:

    • What are you specifically doing to rectify (erase) all of the unconstitutional infringements upon the 2A-protected right of all citizens to be armed?

    • For all infringements on the 2A you are proposing or supporting, do you recall swearing to the People to both protect and defend the Constitution, not to tear it apart piece by piece? If so, what part(s) do you recall, and what, specifically, does that mean you'll change in your near-term behavior?

    • Why did you vote "yea" for X, Y and Z unconstitutional infringements upon the 2A (which shall not be infringed by our hired staff)?

    • Do you honestly believe that murderers and robbers who already disregard all statutes against preying in such ways upon people are actually going to care one bit about a few additional prohibitions on things like weaponry possession or ownership?

    • What makes you think an unconstitutional infringement upon all people who'll abide by such things is going to inhibit in the least way the one category of persons who won't do so? And, since that's true, how is this crime control in any way, shape or form?

    • How is this not simply control, control of the citizens who've hired staff to represent them, not to disarm and criminalize them?

    • When are you going to publicly and loudly push for erasure of all infringements upon the 2A (fed, state, county, local ... all of them)? How will you be doing this, specifically?



    I'll start believing a few of them who dare answer us all directly, constantly and publicly on these (and a few other) questions.

    Until then ... they can keep suckin' on those lattes 'til the froth sticks in the crevices. I ain't buyin'.
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    Rockefeller isn't running for Senate next time so he doesn't give a flip about righs...as long as he has his. He cares even less about West Virginians. Manchin is a HUGE disappointment and has been since day one.

    No matter how specific the letter, we always get the same canned response. I doubt if anyone but the lowest level aide reads them. We continue to write out of frustration.

    CCW...those are great points in your post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    May I use that (with some minor modifications) for responding to my Socialist Senators?

    Thank you.
    Of course! Anyone who wants to use it can feel free to do so. Make whatever improvements you like and send it along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Smokin...here's the letter he shot off last night:

    Dear Senator Rockefeller,

    My wife and I feel so much better after reading your email that you are protecting our 2nd Amendment rights, along with those other notorious left-wing apparatchiks for Obama, like Feinstein, Schumer, Durbin, Bloomberg, Cuomo, O’Malley, Malloy, et al. Unfortunately, the Obama Democrat Party, along with you and Senator Manchin, have lost all credibility and respect in the eyes of West Virginia voters and we look forward to having Senator Capito in the U.S. Senate to represent us. Unlike you and Senator Manchin, she is not afraid of Obama and will speak out for us and defend our Constitutional rights against the tyrannical and brazen Obama Administration officials, who continue to obstruct justice and lie to the American people about Benghazi, IRS illegal targeting of Americans, and DoJ intimidation/persecution of journalists.

    These three major scandals (4 if you count Fast & Furious) erupting out of this White House will not go away and the American people (and possibly the mainstream press) are finally waking up to the grave threat posed by the Obama Democrat Party to our nation’s future existence as a free and open Constitutional republic that respects the rule of law and the truth. We want to get our country back on track and undo the corrupt Obama policies and regulations that have pitted Americans against each other and are destroying our nation’s beloved Constitution, which many of us served proudly in the military and took a solemn oath to protect and defend.

    To prevent Obama his loyal political thugs from taking away our 2nd Amendment right, my wife and I will continue to exercise our 1st Amendment right to speak out against their sinister actions and lies that threaten our Constitution and our individual freedom.



    Thank you,

    (name redacted)
    Cool. I like it. Your husband certainly doesn't have any problem calling things like he sees them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinFool View Post
    Cool. I like it. Your husband certainly doesn't have any problem calling things like he sees them.
    LOL...yes, that would be true! I think it was the 21 years in the AF that did that.
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