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    To Hell with the idiot from Kenya.
    I'm just a spoke in the wheel but not a big deal.
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    I love this qoute...it is so like the "we have to vote for it before we know what is in it"speach!
    “We are conducting a thorough review of the treaty text to determine whether to sign the treaty,” said Laura Lucas, spokeswoman for the White House National Security Council.
    Then why the heck did you vote for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backwoodz View Post
    From what I read it needs a national gun registry. This is what alarms me the most.
    Does it actually say that in the text of the treaty, or is that merely someone's opinion that you are now repeating?

    Where in the treaty does it say that? Where in the treaty does it even imply that? And I'm asking from ignorance. I haven't read
    the treaty. I want to know what it says, not what someone said they think it says.

    So far, no one has pointed to a specific portion of text that is alarming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    aw....the awkward silence as some folks eagerly google away for info on the ATT
    I don't give a **** what's in the ATT... If Obama wants it, it can't be good.
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Critical thinking at its finest LOL j/k
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    If they make it law, they can't sell guns to Syria, Libia, or the Mexican drug cartels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Critical thinking at its finest LOL j/k
    Thank You. I'll take that as a compliment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the6shooter View Post
    If they make it law, they can't sell guns to Syria, Libia, or the Mexican drug cartels.
    Don't know if that is true or not, but I found the following rather interesting:

    " Among those who flatly rejected the treaty are Iran, Korea and Syria." "Russia, India, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia and several other countries described the treaty text as “unbalanced”

    Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

    An English language Pakistani newspaper may be an odd source, but the facts are solid.
    The countries which oppose this treaty are hardly respectable nations.

    One way I tend to judge whether something is in the US interest or not is to look at what the Russian
    position is. Looking at what Cuba and Iran think is also an indication that whatever it is that is being
    considered isn't going to be good for us.

    Do we really want to be in the company of such "free" and "democratic" nations as Iran, Syria, Cuba, Russia, Venezuela,
    and Bolivia?


    That sure is a strange place to be. Would any of us still be walking free in any of those places?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Don't know if that is true or not, but I found the following rather interesting:

    " Among those who flatly rejected the treaty are Iran, Korea and Syria." "Russia, India, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia and several other countries described the treaty text as “unbalanced”

    Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

    An English language Pakistani newspaper may be an odd source, but the facts are solid.
    The countries which oppose this treaty are hardly respectable nations.

    One way I tend to judge whether something is in the US interest or not is to look at what the Russian
    position is. Looking at what Cuba and Iran think is also an indication that whatever it is that is being
    considered isn't going to be good for us.

    Do we really want to be in the company of such "free" and "democratic" nations as Iran, Syria, Cuba, Russia, Venezuela,
    and Bolivia?


    That sure is a strange place to be. Would any of us still be walking free in any of those places?
    You have to realize that we are in their corner on this, because of polar opposite reasons; our country is unique with the 2nd amendment and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Luttrel View Post
    You have to realize that we are in their corner on this, because of polar opposite reasons; our country is unique with the 2nd amendment and all.
    Yes, we do. So what's the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    I never said I supported the treaty. I asked a question for folks that say this is doom why they say that. I figured an enlightened person would be able to articulae an answer. If not, then I can only assume that one does not undertsand the treaty, they get their talking points from Alex Jones, or they succumb to what they hear instead of researching on their own.

    And, a poor way to debate is to not answer a question with a question...which you did. It tells me that you have no arguements to use for your statements. I don't play that game. If you want a debate then start getting some facts supporting your position and then rebut. All too man time folks here try to use that tactic and quite frankly, it is not productive and tells me the person either does not have a resposne, does not want to provide a resposne, or simply is afraid to look up the facts and find out that possibly they are wrong.
    No - I just get sick and tired of you asking me to do your homework for you.

    And if I didn't respond last night quick enough for your liking, it's because I needed to get some sleep because I work for a living.

    Here's what I see wrong with the treaty. Once a treaty has been signed, it normally remains available for the Senate to ratify in perpetuity, unless a later president withdraws from it. This means that American gun owners must remain vigilant in ensuring this treaty is never ratified.

    No big deal? I'd say that's a REALLY big deal.

    We MUST oppose any U.N. provision that seeks to prohibit or regulate U.S. civilian firearm ownership.

    The cornerstone of our freedom is the Second Amendment. NO foreign entity has the authority to meddle with the freedoms guaranteed by our Bill of Rights to the United States Constitution, which are endowed by our Creator.

    In other words, it is about our fundamental individual freedom., and we should totally reject any treaty that threatens our freedom in order to be accepted by foreign nations. Our Patriot grandfathers rejected that 230+ years ago and built our country on the idea of individual freedoms, and NOT for the government.

    And if our president wishes to sell us down the river to foreign entities, then it is time to reject that president and impeach him.

    The reason I oppose the treaty is very basic. It is an infringement on the constitutional freedom of American gun owners.

    You should oppose it to. And if you don't - THEN SHAME ON YOU.

    The United States Senate overwhelmingly rejected the treaty. THAT should tell you something.

    If you want to argue in favor of the treaty - I'm all ears and looking forward to how you're going to spin this one.... I don't know why you would, other than to make excuses for Obama.

    The treaty would ban civilian firearms ownership, it will interfere with state domestic regulation of firearms, the treaty calls for record-keeping and firearms tracking from production to eventual destruction, which is gun registration with the United Nations. It would create a new international bureaucracy and require registration of civilian firearms.

    The treaty will interfere with lawful international commerce in civilian firearms, make the requirements the same regulatory process as the manufacturing of military grade weapons like attack helicopters. It would require hunters and sport shooting traveling internationally to get a "transit permit" (which would be handled by a U.N. bureaucratic agency).

    That's enough to turn me off.

    And IF you are truly in support of our RKBA, then you should be turned off too.

    Every single pro-gun association is against this treaty.

    I don't play games with you suntzu. I just get sick and tired of you always saying "prove it".

    I don't have to prove anything.

    You just like to argue over every little detail because you are a liberal and you can't stand anyone who exposes Obama's socialism.

    Plus, you are always asking everybody else to do something that you're too lazy to do.

    Afraid to look up the facts?

    You are so lame, inept, and without any excuse.

    Furthermore, I wish you would use spellcheck - or at least review your posts for errors. It's difficult to understand what you're trying to say when every other word is misspelled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Each State Part is "encouraged" to report, up to end users, as appropriate. In the US that is not appropriate by Federal Law, so what is the problem?
    So, you are saying that you don't mind have your firearm purchases recorded by a foreign bureaucracy ran by the United Nations?

    Wow.

    You may not have a problem with that, but I sure do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    I never said I supported the treaty. I asked a question for folks that say this is doom why they say that. I figured an enlightened person would be able to articulae an answer. If not, then I can only assume that one does not undertsand the treaty, they get their talking points from Alex Jones, or they succumb to what they hear instead of researching on their own.
    Who is this Alex Jones that you speak of all the time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the6shooter View Post
    If they make it law, they can't sell guns to Syria, Libia, or the Mexican drug cartels.
    What makes you think they will "sell" them?

    My money is on a para-drop from a c-130 & let "whoever" finds em, keep em....

    Meanwhile here in HIS (supposedly) own country, due to his abolishionist desires for the 2nd A, we have to pay through the nose for them.

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