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    I never thought about the fact that the "may issue" laws for gun permits may be rooted in racism until I read this article by Massad Ayoob.

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    Oh yep....this kind of crap happened before, and may still happen for all I know. There was/is a political angle on this as well. When I was a cop, sheriff's would also bond supports/campaign contributors after they were elected. I have seen this first hand. This is why I think the "shall issue" is the way things are supposed to be.
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    If you read up on the history of "gun control" laws, you will find that the original laws were intended to keep guns out of the hands of freed slaves. That was so the KKK and the white establishment could keep "order". And believe me, that wasn't just in the South. The Northerners were afraid of freed slaves coming North and causing trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionround View Post
    If you read up on the history of "gun control" laws, you will find that the original laws were intended to keep guns out of the hands of freed slaves. That was so the KKK and the white establishment could keep "order". And believe me, that wasn't just in the South. The Northerners were afraid of freed slaves coming North and causing trouble.
    Spot on....if I am not mistaken some of these laws were present in New York and New England States as well.
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    Which is why it still amazes me that the liberal side of the political fence, unusually heavily populated with some particular races, tend to be so anti.

    If we could ever get Anderson Cooper and Piers Morgan to understand the history of this we stand a chance at getting the word out to the masses.
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    Interesting but the current motivation is statism, not racism. The historical anecdote is just that, an anecdote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmacque View Post
    Which is why it still amazes me that the liberal side of the political fence, unusually heavily populated with some particular races, tend to be so anti.

    If we could ever get Anderson Cooper and Piers Morgan to understand the history of this we stand a chance at getting the word out to the masses.
    I agree. A real and honest look at history shows that the fight for 2nd Amendment is the most equality based platform one could hope for. Like most other issues, the anti's and liberals have both Shanghaied and perverted it to try and impose their own corrupt/twisted set of values and principals.
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    Human nature does not change...many biases remain geographically across this country.

    Race bias, political bias, power bias..regardless; the result is the same; "No permit for you if (I) say so"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmacque View Post
    If we could ever get Anderson Cooper and Piers Morgan to understand the history of this we stand a chance at getting the word out to the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perfection View Post
    I never thought about the fact that the "may issue" laws for gun permits may be rooted in racism until I read this article by Massad Ayoob.
    Haven't done a lot of thinking, huh? "May issue" is biased for any number of reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Haven't done a lot of thinking, huh? "May issue" is biased for any number of reasons.
    Yah, like whether you are owed favors by the issuing party. Iowa permits are granted by the Sheriffs of each county. Before Iowa became shall issue some counties were may issue or no issue with a small percentage being shall issue. You could identify permit holders from may issue counties by the hole in their wallet and the brown stuff on their noses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionround View Post
    If you read up on the history of "gun control" laws, you will find that the original laws were intended to keep guns out of the hands of freed slaves. That was so the KKK and the white establishment could keep "order". And believe me, that wasn't just in the South. The Northerners were afraid of freed slaves coming North and causing trouble.
    Ohio outlawed concealed carry for all private citizens in 1859, and never restored it until 2004. I seriously doubt that freed slaves were the cause for this 145 year prohibition, as it applied equally to everybody. The Klan certainly held no sway here in 1859.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perfection View Post
    I never thought about the fact that the "may issue" laws for gun permits may be rooted in racism until I read this article by Massad Ayoob.
    Regardless of generalities, assumptions, and a seemingly collective racial guilt, not all evils of society find their underpinnings in racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionround View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Ohio outlawed concealed carry for all private citizens in 1859, and never restored it until 2004. I seriously doubt that freed slaves were the cause for this 145 year prohibition, as it applied equally to everybody. The Klan certainly held no sway here in 1859.
    Mike, I don't live in and have never lived in Ohio, so you may be more up on Ohio history than I am. However, according to http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Ku_Klux_Klan

    "The Klan of the 1800s was different from and the Klan of the 1910s and 1920s in two major ways. The Ku Klux Klan of the early twentieth century extended their prejudice to include more groups than African Americans. The new Klan disliked foreigners, non-white racial groups, and non-Protestants. During the nineteenth century, the Klan was strongest in the South, but during the early twentieth century, the KKK was popular in the North as well.

    The Ku Klux Klan was especially strong in Ohio during the 1910s and 1920s. In Summit County, the Klan claimed to have fifty thousand members, making it the largest local chapter in the United States. Many of the county's officials were members, including the sheriff, the Akron mayor, several judges and county commissioners, and most members of Akron's school board. The Klan was also very popular in Licking County, where the group held its state konklave (convention) in 1923 and 1925. More than seventy thousand people attended each event. The konklaves were held at Buckeye Lake, a popular tourist attraction in the early twentieth century."
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