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November 20th, 2006 11:55 AM
Justfacts.com - Great statistics
This is an interesting site with a lot of good information. If it has been posted or discussed before, sorry (I did a search on the threads and titles for justfacts.com but couldn't come up with anything). So here you go:
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November 20th, 2006 02:03 PM
Very interesting site. Good find!! Thanks for posting that!
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November 20th, 2006 06:47 PM
Thanks for posting this, walther1.
November 20th, 2006 06:59 PM
Excellent and thx.
That particular page does indeed appear to have required enormous research.
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November 20th, 2006 10:19 PM
Appreciated The Info...
already added it to my 'favorites' list...
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November 20th, 2006 11:49 PM
November 21st, 2006 11:31 AM
There is some really good information, even if a bit dated. There is also a bit that seems confusing. For example...
The media don't know what 'armor piercing bullets' are and neither do many pro gun people. They seem to think, like much of the media, that any bullet that pierces soft armor is an armor piercing bullet. The problem here is that what are rated as "armor piercing bullets" are not referring to soft armor penetration, but hard armor.
ARMOR PIERCING BULLETS
* Armor piercing bullets have been referred to in the media as "cop killers." (37)
Soft armor, as used by officers and the military, doesn't stop a lot of rifle rounds. Spitzer tips go right through like ice picks. Cops have been killed by NON armor piercing rifle ammo that has defeated ballistic vests just like in the military. That is part of the reason the military has gone to hard armor plates in their body armor.
Interestingly, the 37 citation isn't actually a citation of a source, but to state that the comment isn't in dispute. That is wrong. "Cop killer bullets" were bullets fired from handguns (usually) and rifles that would defeat SOFT body armor because of some magical trait such as the supposed evil teflon cover ammo.
Actual armor piercing ammo, such as military surplus has always been called just that.
November 21st, 2006 02:47 PM
ALL bullets are armour-peircing to some extent or another. A standard 7.62x54mm FMJ round from my M44 will go through 1/8" steel plate like a hot knife through butter. A .40S&W FMJ round will be stopped, however.
When discussing soft armour penetration, limit the discussion to pistol rounds only, as nearly all rifle rounds will go through soft armour like nothing.
November 30th, 2006 11:19 AM
Thank you! My brother will be using some of that in his report!
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